Article: Joseph Prince & John 16:8-11
Part 3: Joseph Prince is offered 3 Free Trips from George Ong
Part 4: Joseph Prince’s teaching that the Holy Spirit does not convict us of sin but the devil does a good job of that, has not only cast scorn and discredited all the Revivals in Church History but he is also implying that these Revivals were satanically driven
– By Rev George Ong (Dated 16 May 2024)
Announcement No 1:
Joseph Prince issued a challenge and I took it.
In return, I am issuing a challenge to Joseph Prince
and I hope he will have guts to take it.
My challenge to Joseph Prince
which comes with handsome rewards
is found in Part 3 and especially Appendix 1.
You, too, are invited,
to take up the same challenge.
Announcement No 2:
See Appendix 2
for a brief elaboration of yesterday’s article
on the interpretation of the word, ‘world’
in John 16:8-11.
See Appendix 3
for the Featured YouTube comments.
Announcement No 3:
Part 1 & 2 were featured in the last release
yesterday, on 15 May 2024.
You are strongly advised to go through them
in order to have a better grasp of Part 3 & 4.
Announcement No 4:
I have brought forward the release of Part 3 & 4
from tomorrow to today
as I have another Important Article
to be featured this Saturday.
(This article was also sent to Rev Dr Ngoei Foong Nghian, General Secretary, National Council of Churches of Singapore (NCCS) office, and for the attention of the Executive Committee Members.)
Part 3: Joseph Prince is offered 3 Free Trips from George Ong
In a sermon on 2005, Joseph Prince said;
“Oh, Holy Spirit, convict me of righteousness.
He never convicts the believer of sin.”
In ‘Destined To Reign’,
Joseph Prince issued a challenge:
“The bottom line is that
the Holy Spirit never convicts you of your sins.
He NEVER comes to point out your faults.
I challenge you to find a scripture in the Bible
that tells you that
the Holy Spirit has come to convict you of your sins.
You won’t find any!”
Joseph Prince, since you have issued the challenge,
I am game enough to take on your challenge head-on.
And I hope you will return my favour
and be brave enough to take on my challenge.
The difference is that while my challenge
comes with a handsome reward of 3 free trips for you
and every one of your supporters,
your challenge comes with no reward
– yet, I will still take it.
Please see Appendix 1
for details of my challenge to Joseph Prince.
Let’s look at two key places (amongst many others)
in the scriptures that use the same Greek word
that’s translated as ‘convict’ in John 16:8.
John 16:8 NASB
8 “And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment;
The first one is found in Hebrews 12:5
and the second in Revelation 3:19:
Hebrews 12:5 NIV
5 “And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says, “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you.”
Revelation 3:19 NIV
19 “Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.”
In Hebrews 12:5,
we see that the word ‘rebuke’
is actually the same Greek word
translated as ‘convict’ in John 16:8.
Again, the same Greek word ‘convict’ in John 16:8
is translated as ‘rebuke’ in Revelation 3:19.
So, in at least two places in the New Testament scriptures,
believers are ‘convicted’ or ‘rebuked’ for their sins.
In these two passages,
we find all three members of the Trinity involved
in the loving process
of ‘convicting’ believers of their sins.
First, we see this presented in Hebrews 12:5,
where the one who ‘rebukes’ or ‘convicts’ believers
in the Book of Hebrews,
is specifically identified as God the Father
in Hebrews 12:7,9:
Hebrew 12:7-9 NIV
7 “Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live!”
Second, in Revelation 3:19,
Jesus Christ Himself is involved
in rebuking or convicting believers
in the church of Laodicea,
where He says,
“Those whom I love I rebuke…”
is speaking directly to New Covenant believers.
Third, in Revelation 3:22,
the Lord Jesus admonishes the same church of Laodicea
to listen to what
“the Spirit says to the churches.”
Revelation 3:22 NIV
22 “Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches.”
In other words,
when Jesus ‘rebukes’ or ‘convicts’ the Laodicean believers (Rev 3:19),
the Holy Spirit is also ‘rebuking’ or ‘convicting’ them (Rev 3:22).
This is because the Holy Spirit,
according to John 16:13,
will not speak on His own authority,
but only that which He hears Jesus is speaking:
John 16:12-15 NIV
12 “I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
Therefore, we see a perfect agreement
between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit
regarding the doctrine of conviction and correction of sin
for New Covenant believers.
Not only is God, the Holy Spirit involved,
God, the Father and God, the Son
are also involved
in the convicting of believers of their sins.
The exhortation,
“Whoever has ears, let them hear
what the Spirit says to the churches,”
in Revelation 3:22
was repeated 7 times in Revelation chapters 2-3
(Rev 2:7, 2:11, 2:17, 2:29; 3:6, 3:13, 3:22).
So, what does the Holy Spirit say to them
in five of the seven churches?
Revelation 2:5 NIV (Ephesus)
5 “Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.”
Revelation 2:16 NIV (Pergamum)
16 “Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.”
Revelation 2:22 NIV (Thyatira)
22 “So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.”
Revelation 3:3 NIV (Sardis)
3 “Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.”
Revelation 3:19 NIV (Laodicea)
19 “Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.”
Is this not conviction?
Is the Holy Spirit not convicting and calling
for repentance of their sins?
The truth is the Holy Spirit convicts the Christians
in five of the seven churches in Revelation
to repent of their sins.
Thus, the challenge by Joseph Prince
that the Holy Spirit never convicts believers of their sins
is met,
and his doctrine resoundingly demolished.
Let’s suppose (only hypothetically)
that there is no text that says God, the Holy Spirit
convicts us of our sins.
But the fact that both God, the Father and God, the Son,
convict us of our sins to get us to repent,
is more than enough
to knock down Joseph Prince’s teaching.
Let me ask Joseph Prince
a super-obvious question
in order to get this truth into his brain
just in case he still can’t see a simple truth:
“Is Jesus God?
Is the Father God?”
You mean the fact that
two members of the Trinitarian Godhead
are involved in the conviction of sins of believers
is not enough to convince you
that God does convict believers of their sins?
Come on, please don’t use your head
to knock against the wall of logic and biblical truth.
Derek Prince, a highly respected teacher,
believes in the conviction of sins by the Holy Spirit.
In 3 separate teaching sessions, Derek Prince said;
“One of the great faithful ministries of the Holy Spirit
is to convict of sin.
Not to condemn us but to liberate us
because when you’re convicted,
you can confess.
So, it’s very important that if you sin
and the Holy Spirit convicts you,
you repent, you confess,
and you receive the cleansing
that comes from Jesus through his blood.
When the Holy Spirit convicts of sin,
He says,
“You did that and you did that. It was wrong.
You need to repent and you need to put it right.
And this is how you put it right.”
Don’t reject the conviction of the Holy Spirit.”
Michael Brown too affirms the role of the Holy Spirit
to convict us of our sins.
In ‘Hyper-Grace, Exposing the Dangers of the Modern Grace Message,’
Michael Brown wrote:
“But the deeper question is this:
Does the Holy Spirit ever speak to us about our sins?
Does He ever draw attention to things
we have done wrong?
Does He ever rebuke us or correct us?
Of course He does.
Why?
Because He loves us so much!
If He didn’t love us,
He would stand back and allow sin
to damage and destroy us.
But because of His boundless love and kindness,
He makes us uncomfortable in our sins
so that we will turn away from them
and turn back to Him.
Hyper-grace teachers take issue with this,
arguing that the Holy Spirit doesn’t convict us of sin
because God doesn’t see our sins…
But since He does see our sins,
since sin is so destructive,
and since our Father loves us so dearly,
the Spirit of God deals with us
to help us turn away from our sin.”
Finally, the teaching that
the Holy Spirit does not convict believers of our sins
is heretical
as no true Bible teacher in Historic Christianity,
including the Reformation Fathers,
and the contemporary Church Fathers have taught it.
In ‘Grace Revolution,’ Joseph Prince wrote,
“Truth be told,
you don’t need the Holy Spirit to convict you of sin…
and the devil do a good job of that.”
The danger is that when the Holy Spirit
comes and convicts believers of sin,
believers who are influenced by Joseph Prince’s teachings,
will think it is the voice of the devil
and they will reject it as the voice of the Holy Spirit.
This is because they are brainwashed by Joseph Prince
that the Holy Spirit will never convict them of their sins
but only their righteousness.
Unconfessed and unrepentant sins
are not covered under the blood of Christ
and will not be forgiven by God.
These same people with their unconfessed sins
will be judged by God on the day of reckoning.
My Parting Shot to Joseph Prince:
“Hey Joe,
don’t bluff.
Just name me one Singapore church or Pastor
that teaches the Holy Spirit
does not convict believers of sin.
None, right?
Time and again,
I have said you are a Lone Ranger Heretic
teaching your own thing.
Once more, in this article,
I have proven again
that you are, indeed,
a Super-Confirmed Lone Ranger.”
Part 4: Joseph Prince’s teaching that the Holy Spirit does not convict us of sin but the devil does a good job of that, has not only cast scorn and discredited all the Revivals in Church History but he is also implying that these Revivals were satanically driven – By Rev George Ong
In ‘Grace Revolution,’ Joseph Prince wrote,
“Truth be told,
you don’t need the Holy Spirit to convict you of sin…
the devil does a good job of that.”
Joseph Prince’ teaching on the Holy Spirit
has discredited all the God-sent revivals
in the history of the Church.
If Joseph Prince’s teaching
that the Holy Spirit never convicts believers of sin
is to be believed,
then every recorded revival in history,
which is unmistakably marked
by the heavy conviction of sin by the Holy Spirit
of both believers and unbelievers,
would be counterfeit
and would have to be thrown out the window.
If Joseph Prince’s teaching
that it is the devil, not the Holy Spirit
who points out that our sins are to be accepted,
we would have to conclude
that every recorded revival in history
in which masses of believers and unbelievers
came under the strong conviction of sin
is satanically driven.
By Joseph Prince’s doctrine
that the Holy Spirit never convicts believers of sins,
he is discrediting all the great work done
by Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, John Wesley,
Charles Finney, Evan Roberts, John Sung, etc,
who were mightily used by God
to initiate the respective past revivals.
I have never come across any man
with such arrogance
to insist that he (Joseph Prince) alone is right
on the role of the Holy Spirit,
while all these great men of God
(and many more who are not listed)
who have gone before him
were wrong.
Joseph Prince is trying to rewrite
the crucial role and involvement of the Holy Spirit
in the history of revivals.
In doing so,
he has committed the horrible sin
of discrediting the work
of none other than God the Holy Spirit
in all these revivals.
What was unmistakably
the work of the Holy Spirit
in all these past revivals,
Joseph Prince has, by his doctrine,
disparaged the Holy Spirit’s role,
and strongly implied that it is the devil,
who has convicted believers of sins
in these revivals.
By what Joseph Prince wrote,
“Truth be told,
you don’t need the Holy Spirit to convict you of sin…
the devil does a good job of that.”
Joseph Prince has committed the sin of blasphemy.
How can any right-minded person
ever believe such a weird and ungodly doctrine
of Joseph Prince
that is bordering on madness?
Yet, unbelievably,
there are tens of thousands of such people in Singapore
and hundreds of thousands around the world,
who do!
Rev George Ong
APPENDIX 1
My Challenge to Joseph Prince
Joseph Prince teaches that when we sin,
we are not to confess our sins
because every sin has been forgiven at the cross,
but we are to confess we are righteous.
Joseph Prince teaches that
one should confess his righteousness
because of Christ’s righteousness
when he is sinning instead of his sins
is not only false but spiritually destructive.
There is nowhere in the Bible that tells a believer
to confess his righteousness
when he is sinning instead of his sins
except for the weird and false doctrine
that Joseph Prince teaches.
Joseph Prince, show me just one verse in the Bible
that explicitly says that
we are to confess our righteousness
and not our sins
when we are sinning.
If you can show me just one verse,
I will offer to sponsor you
to a free trip anywhere in the world.
This same free-trip award
is also offered to any person in New Creation Church
who can find me a verse that explicitly says that
we are to confess our righteousness
instead of our sins
when we are sinning.
If just 10 of you could find just one verse
and all 10 opt to go to Antarctica,
the next day, the headlines in the newspapers
will be titled,
“A silly preacher, George Ong,
went bankrupt for offering a foolish deal.”
But this is nothing as compared
to what may happen on the Day of Judgement
– this headline in the Heavenly Straits Times,
a newspaper for the angels may appear,
“Millions went to hell
all because they have been so foolish
to listen to Joseph Prince about a weird doctrine
without even checking the scriptures
to test whether what he taught was true.”
Joseph Prince,
if there isn’t a single verse that explicitly says
that we are to confess our righteousness
instead of our sins
when we are sinning,
it is pure recklessness on your part
to teach this doctrine as if it is gospel truth
and deceive millions of people to hell.
The blood of these souls will be on your hands.
If you dare to take such reckless risk
by playing Russian roulette
over such weird teachings over your eternity,
don’t ever assume
that everyone is as reckless as you would.
Joseph Prince
– Let’s Up the Stakes to Three Times Higher!
If Joseph Prince can show me what he taught
– that when we sin,
we should confess our righteousness
and not our sins
– and that this is explicitly taught
by Jesus OR Paul OR JUST any of the writers of scriptures,
I will offer him, not just one,
but three free trips to anywhere in the world.
These three free trips to anywhere in the world
are also extended to anyone,
not just those in New Creation Church,
especially those who have been influenced
by Joseph Prince’s teachings
with the same condition.
Joseph Prince,
if you can’t even show me
what you have aggressively taught
as your core doctrine
is also taught by Jesus OR Paul
OR even JUST one of the scripture writers,
you have no right to blame me
for calling you a wolf in sheepskin.
Friends – why am I doing this?
For the fun of it?
No, my friends!
I am dead serious about honouring the deal
at the prospect of going bankrupt,
and more crucially,
to expose Joseph Prince
as a wolf to the body of Christ.
And I have so far paid a very high price for it
in terms of my itinerant ministry
and finance,
and I am continuing to pay the price.
But – no sweat! – It’s a joy!
It’s worth every ounce of the price that I have paid so far
for the sake of obeying my Lord
to protect the integrity of His word and the gospel
– so that people will not be deceived by Joseph Prince
and end themselves up in the lake of fire.
What is the giving up of my one life
in exchange for souls
that I can pluck from hell?
Nothing!
Pittance!
“Fighting a battle that has eternal ramifications is worth pouring all my heart and soul into.” (George Ong)
APPENDIX 2
With regards to my last Article,
Article: Joseph Prince & John 16:8-11
Part 1: Joseph Prince abuses the Holy Spirit to lie & cover up his lie
Please click on the link below,
let me elaborate a little
for those who wants to go a little deeper.
There are basically 2 positions
on the word, ‘world’.
John 16:8-11 NASB
8 “And He, when He comes, will convict the world
concerning sin
and righteousness
and judgment;
9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;
10 and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me;
11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.”
First, it is to take it as representing the unbelieving world
which I did in my last article.
Second, it is to take it as representing
both the unbelieving and the believing world.
Believe me, I am aware both positions
and I have a detailed write up of the second position too,
which I didn’t feature in my last article.
But I am more inclined to the first position
because the second position that takes the word, ‘world’
as representing both unbelievers and believers
has a major contradiction in V9.
9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me;
If the interpretation
is that the Holy Spirit convicts believers of sin
according to V9,
then how can believers be described
as ‘they do not believe in me’.
‘They do not believe in me’
must be referring to unbelievers.
Next, the word ‘sin’ in V9
is in the singular, not plural.
This indicates it is very likely
to be the sin of unbelief
committed by unbelievers,
who refused to believe in Christ.
Any position that one takes
cannot be wishy-washy
– just because one is so taken up or overly excited
with a Greek word, etc.
But more importantly,
it must ensure that it doesn’t lead to contradictions.
If contradictions cannot be avoided for both positions,
then my view is that all things being equal,
one should take the one
with the least contradictions.
APPENDIX 3
Featured YouTube comments:
@WordsofGodThe
“I don’t know about you,
but when I watch this again, I find it so DISGUSTING:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLdrB5ZPS0Q&t=73s
After saying that the Holy Spirit
can never convict you of sin;
now Joseph Prince changes his preaching 180%
and says that the Holy Spirit can convict you of sin.
This is not the first time he preaches double-talks.
It has become his habit to say
“No more law” and then “there is still law in your heart”,
“No more repentance”
and then “you still need to change your mind”,
“No more do’s do’s do’s”
and then “you still need to do this
and that (like confessing righteousness or taking the Holy Communion)”,
“No more Ten Commandments”
and then “telling people that you cannot speak evil”,
“No more discipleship”
and then “you need to discipline your child or yourselves”,
“No more … and then you must still ..”
I find it so DISGUSTING
and I find that I have to say it;
however, maybe the pastors would think differently.
They always tell us that we must love and not criticize.
Do you know why the pastors always tell you
to love and love only, and speak only the good things,
and not to speak negatively?
Very likely they have been influenced
by Joseph Prince to say ‘only the good things’.
However, I find it most DISGUSTING
is when someone says
“The Holy Spirit can never convict you”,
and the next moment he says “Of course, He can”.
And then keeps telling the people
that his critics put words into his mouth, persecute him,
or falsely accuse him of something which he never said.
If you haven’t found any cult leader
who double-talk or lie like that,
you are destined to find one like that today
and this one is not just any double-talker;
but a super anointed double-talker.
It’s because he doesn’t just double-talk
on the conviction of the Holy Spirit,
he double-talks on repentance, grace, the law of God,
the Ten Commandments, discipleship, sanctification,
salvation, prayers, the Sermon on the Mount,
and the doctrine of Christ.
He has literally double-talked almost any doctrine
that you can find in the Bible.
However, most of his believers
(including the pastors from other churches)
find that there is nothing wrong with him
and there should not any criticism on him, why?
I think this is something spiritual.
So, if I find that I cannot get through to these people
who cannot see how DISGUSTING
is Joseph Prince’s double-talks
because of the deep religious
or spiritual deception under hypnotism,
I would try to get through to them by some commonsense.
Please think,
if your friend asked you to lend to him $100,000,
but after you lent to him,
he say, “Did I ask you to lend to me?
No, I have never said it.
You just want to lend to me.
If you continue to harass me, I will sue you ..”
Can you argue with him?
No, the only way to deal with him
is to bring out the contract or IOU
and bring him to court.
So, dealing with such people,
you have, no choice but to bring out the evidences
(like invoices, contract, recorded messages, or videos)
to prove that they have said it or done it.
Do you know that we are dealing with someone
as DISGUSTING as this right now?
And we find it so DISGUSTING and frustrating
that we have, no choice
but, to dig through all his past messages,
CD, DVD, videos, and whatever,
to prove that he has said it or done it;
or else we would be accused instead by him
as the ‘accuser’.
Ok, last but not least,
if you still do not find that this is DISGUSTING,
imagine what if someone comes and tells you
that he is God the Almighty,
and then when you start to argue with him,
he tells you that he has never said it
and he starts to accuse you of lying against him?
Can you accept it?
If you can’t,
I can’t see any reason
why you still collaborate with him (or someone like him)
to accuse those who ‘criticize’ him or expose him?”
@kayqq361
“Lies upon lies.
That’s why I left New Creation Church.
New Creation Church is the temple of lies.”
@tanky815
“Joseph Prince was a salesman before preaching full time.
Still a salesman.
No disrespect to all salesman out there,
but I believe we met salesman like this many times.”
@user-qi8rv4ez7u
“Rev George Ong is consistent
in his interpretation of John 16:7-11.
The Holy Spirit came to bring home
to the unbeliever’s heart Christ’s righteousness.
Jesus was innocent.
He did absolutely no wrong.
But he was sentenced
by the highest authorities of the nation.
The Holy Spirit was not sent
to convict the believer of righteousness.
The Holy Spirit glorifies Christ, not the individual believer.
How can a believer be righteous without Christ’s righteousness?
Joseph Prince got it wrong on v. 10.
Either it’s due to his poor logic, or he has some agenda.”
@kayqq361
“Thank you for your immense effort
in tracking all his nonsense.
Joseph Prince is never accountable for the things he says.
Everything he tells his flock of sheep is the gospel truth.
Nobody questions him.
Great job, Rev George Ong.
Bless you.”
@jamesow5163
“Rev George Ong, thank you for your relentless pursuit
in unveiling the lies of Joseph Prince, the false teacher.”
@JT-wu1gt
“Indeed, very tedious to track down his sermons.
Thanks!”
@WordsofGodThe
“If a preacher says that the Holy Spirit
cannot reprove him or convict him of sin or any wrong,
we already find something is wrong.
However, if a double-talker or heretical preacher
says that the Holy Spirit
cannot reprove him or convict him of sin or any wrong,
we’d better distance ourselves from him.
Do you know how serious it is
to lie against the Holy Spirit or sin against the Holy Spirit?
It is considered as a sin that is unpardonable
because it is a ‘sin’ of the end time
when the Lawless One will fight against the Holy Spirit,
change all the law of God, and give you his own ‘law’:
2Thess 2:4-8 LITV