Main Title: Joseph Prince’s when I sinned, it’s not me satanic teaching – a True-blooded Antinomian
Sub Title: Joseph Prince’s ultimate feel-good teaching – when I sinned, it’s not me
– Rev George Ong (Dated 17 May 2024)
Announcement No 1
Note there is 1 video on Michael Brown,
1 video on George Ong
& 3 videos on Joseph Prince.
See Appendix for the Featured YouTube comments.
Announcement No 2
Just imagine,
after clearing quite a heavy load of rubbish
in Joseph Prince’s sermon
on 12 May 2024, 5 days ago,
in my 4 Articles on this website this week,
there’s still so much left over
in the same sermon to clear.
I think I should start charging Joseph Prince for a fee.
Come this Sunday, 2 days later,
at the New Creation Church worship service,
will be another load of rubbish
that Joseph Prince would spew out of his mouth.
Excerpt No 1 from the Article:
If you compare the outrageous Antinomian doctrine of sin
that Joseph Prince taught in the 3 videos
with the scriptures,
and co-relate it with what Martyn Lloyd-Jones said
in his teachings (see below)
– and if that cannot convince you
that Joseph Prince is an Antinomian and a Heretic,
nothing else would.
Excerpt No 2 from the Article:
George Ong’s comments:
By what Martyn Lloyd-Jones said:
“Antinomianism
– one of the greatest curses conceivable!”
Joseph Prince
has not only brought curses on himself
but has also brought curses on the millions
who have been bought into his Antinomian teachings.
Excerpt No 3 from the Article:
Finally, why do you think
Joseph Prince is able to hook
the multitudes of goats into his camp?
This is because goats
are looking for the ultimate feel-good theology
that when you sin,
it’s not you who have sinned, but your flesh
– whatever sin,
thoughts of anger, blasphemous thoughts,
adultery, covetousness – gambling in buying Toto, etc;
just ignore it and get on with life
because you are the righteousness of God in Christ.
(This article was also sent to Rev Dr Ngoei Foong Nghian, General Secretary, National Council of Churches of Singapore (NCCS) office, and for the attention of the Executive Committee Members.)
In a sermon on 12 May 2024, 5 days ago,
Joseph Prince said;
“Look at what you just did.
You watch something you shouldn’t have watch.
Call yourself a believer.
And Pastor Prince says you are born again.
Wow, set on high.
Look at what you just did.
It’s all senses.
You got to step out of it
and say that’s not me.”
In another sermon, Joseph Prince said;
“So, actually,
even that part of you that love to sin, is gone.
Doesn’t that help you?
When you take Communion,
you have bad thoughts, or whatever,
just say, it’s gone;
it’s not the real me.
But some of us, we are shocked by even the thoughts.
While we are praying,
we get a blasphemous thought, a profane thought
– it’s not you.
It’s not you.
The devil says, ‘No, it’s you.’
It’s not you.
You are not in the flesh
but in the Spirit.
Identify with the real you
that God identifies with.”
In yet another sermon, Joseph Prince said;
“Has God made provision for us?
Indeed, he has. Hallelujah. Amen.
Like the apostle Paul,
he was struggling in this struggle
and he was saying (Rom 7:19 KJV):
‘You know, the good I want to do, I do it not,
but the evil I don’t want to do, I am doing.’ (Romans 7:20 KJV):
Now if I do that which I don’t want to do,
it shows that it is not me;
it’s not I that do it.
It sounds like a copout,
but Paul is saying the real me
is not the one involved
because the real me is not the flesh.
The real me is in the spirit, the new creation. Right.
Pastor, when the feeling come, temptation,
I feel anger and all that. You stop.
And I’m telling you this, rejoice.
Rejoice because you will not bow to the lie
that you are this sin.
You are this sin
and then God sees you in that sin.
No.
God separates you from that sin.
Woo, I say,
‘God separates you from that sin.’
Just ignore it.
Leave it alone. Amen.
And when it stirs up, don’t act on it, Amen.
It’s a lie.
That feeling is a lie.
That’s not me.
That’s not me.
No.
This is not me.”
In a teaching session, George Ong said;
“‘As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it
but it is sin living in me.
Now if I do what I do not want to do,
it is no longer I who do it
but it is sin living in me that does it.’
Is it, when Paul said it is no longer I,
it is still I
because you cannot blame;
that’s what Joseph Prince, terrible,
you know how he twists this verse.
He says if you have thoughts of sinful thinking, whatever,
you want to do something, desires,
oh, it’s not you, it’s not you, not you.
Who is the real you?
You are the righteousness of God in Christ.
That’s the real you.
God sees us, He only see Christ in us.
He doesn’t see the sin in us.
So, when you think bad thoughts
or bad desires, you know,
it’s not you.
It’s your flesh.
It’s your old man.
That’s very terrible, you know.
You are trying to say.
Let’s say I murder somebody.
Oh, it’s not me.
I murder,
It’s not me.
It’s my old man.
You go and tell that to the judge.
He sends you to the gallows.
It’s not me.
That’s the teaching he teaches.
It’s not you.
You are saved already.
You are forever saved.
You cannot lose your salvation.
That’s the real you.
That’s your new identity.
Then when you sin, no, no,
that’s not (you),
that’s your old man.
That’s your flesh.
It’s very dangerous.”
Are you shocked at what Joseph Prince said
in the videos?
In the 3 videos, Joseph Prince teaches
that when a believer sins,
it is not the real him who sins but his ‘flesh’.
If a believer who embraced Joseph Prince’s doctrine of sin,
sinned by committing murder
(who says true believers cannot commit murder?
– David, the person after God’s own heart did,
and Moses, the revered leader of the Israelites,
and one through whom the holy law of God was given, did too),
can he get off the hook by defending himself
and say that it was not the real him
who murdered somebody,
but it was his flesh who sinned
because his flesh, did it?
If another believer who is convinced
by Joseph Prince’s doctrine of sin,
sinned by committing adultery
(who says true believers cannot commit adultery?
– David, the person after God’s own heart did),
can he get off the hook by defending himself
and say that it was not the real him
who committed adultery,
but it was his flesh who sinned
because his flesh, did it?
Do you realise what the grossly warped doctrine on sin
that Joseph Prince teaches can lead to?
This is outrageous!
Joseph Prince’s doctrine of sin
is bordering on madness!
Joseph Prince may argue that the many examples he quoted
in the 3 videos are sins of the mind;
about what you shouldn’t be watching,
feelings of anger,
blasphemous and profane thoughts, etc.
And Joseph Prince said that these sins
do not come from the real you
but your flesh.
Then Joseph Prince said
because they don’t come from the real you
but your flesh,
you are to ignore them and leave them alone.
But doesn’t Joseph Prince know
(or he pretends not to know)
that these sins of the mind
and the actual carrying out of such sins, are the same
as far as the scriptures
and the Lord Jesus is concerned
(Matt 5:21, 27-30; 15:18-20; 23:25-28, etc)?
That if a believer’s mind is filled with such evil thoughts,
and if they are not dealt with,
he may one day carry them out in practice!
Hence, what you have heard from Joseph Prince
in these 3 videos,
is not only doctrinally horrifying,
but also demonically influenced and incited.
In an interview session, Michael Brown said;
“There are some who even teach this
because my spirit is perfect in God’s sight
and my spirit doesn’t sin,
that I don’t really sin when I sin.
That it’s just my flesh and I’m not my flesh.
One teacher said this,
we are not our sins,
so that’s not what God’s looking at.
He’s looking at the whole person.
If sin is not an issue,
why does almost every letter
in the New Testament deal with it.”
The false teachings that Michael Brown brought out;
“There are some who even teach this
because my spirit is perfect in God’s sight
and my spirit doesn’t sin,
that I don’t really sin when I sin.
That it’s just my flesh and I’m not my flesh,”
is exactly what Joseph Prince teaches.
In the light of such abhorrent teachings of Joseph Prince,
don’t miss the insightful teachings of Martyn Lloyd-Jones
as he described with a pinhole accuracy
the Antinomian heresies of Joseph Prince
as contained in the 3 videos.
If you compare the outrageous Antinomian doctrine of sin
that Joseph Prince taught in the 3 videos
with the scriptures,
and co-relate it with what Martyn Lloyd-Jones said
in his teachings (see below)
– and if that cannot convince you
that Joseph Prince is an Antinomian and a Heretic,
nothing else would.
In ‘An exposition of Romans Chapters 7:1-8:4,
The Law: Its Functions and Limits’,
Martyn Lloyd-Jones,
commenting on Romans 7:16-20, said:
Romans 7:19-20 NIV
19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do – this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
“What, then, is the Apostle concerned to say in all this?
Let me put it in the form of three conclusions.
First, he is not disclaiming responsibility
for his actions or even excusing himself.
That is something that we must never do.
But there have been people who have done so,
and it has involved them
in the most terrible and ‘damnable heresies’.
To what has it led?
It has led to Antinomianism
which has made them say,
‘Ah, it is not I who am sinning,
it is my flesh that is sinning;
I am not responsible,
I do not want to sin,
therefore, it is not I who am doing these things’.
George Ong’s Interjection:
Martyn Lloyd-Jones has accurately described
the Antinomian heresy that Joseph Prince teaches
in the 3 videos, particularly the one
when Joseph Prince states from the same passage
in Romans 7:19-20,
that it isn’t the believer who sins,
but his flesh that does.
Martyn Lloyd-Jones aptly labelled Antinomianism
that Joseph Prince teaches
as the most terrible and ‘damnable heresy’.
Back to Martyn Lloyd-Jones:
They use the language of the Apostle
but in a very different way from the Apostle.
They do it to excuse sin;
they go on sinning
and say that it does not matter what a man does.
There was a teaching called ‘Dualism’ in the early Church,
which said that sin belonged only to the body.
It claimed that that was apostolic teaching;
that the man himself was saved,
it was only his body that was sinning,
and as the body was going to die in any case,
it did not really matter whether he sinned or not.
‘I do not sin’, they said,
‘it is my body that is sinning’.”
… The Apostle Paul is not excusing the man
he describes here (Rom 7:16-20),
he is not disclaiming responsibility for himself;
what he is doing is to make a confession.
He is virtually saying:
‘That is the truth about me,
that is the weakness in which I find myself,
that is the paralysis that I am aware of;
that is my useless struggle.’
He does not say,
‘All is well, and it does not matter what I do’.
No, he wants to get out of this condition,
as he will tell us later when he says,
‘O wretched man that I am who shall deliver me?’
It is the exact opposite of the foul teaching of Dualism,
and the dangerous trap of Antinomianism.
… Such antinomianism is always the greatest enemy
of the doctrines of grace.
… “Antinomianism is one of the most blinding curses
that has ever afflicted the life of the Church.
It troubled the early Church,
and it has continued to do so ever since.”
George Ong’s comments:
Notice the difference in response.
While Martyn Lloyd-Jones said
we should not make excuses for our own sins
but confess them in Romans 7:19-20,
Joseph Prince justifies himself
by saying it is not the real him that sinned
but the flesh that is in him.
What Martyn Lloyd-Jones said
accurately depicts the Antinomian doctrine
that Joseph Prince teaches in the videos.
Let me repeat the damning words
of Martyn Lloyd-Jones
against the Antinomian teaching of Joseph Prince:
… Such antinomianism is always the greatest enemy
of the doctrines of grace.
… “Antinomianism is one of the most blinding curses
that has ever afflicted the life of the Church.
It troubled the early Church,
and it has continued to do so ever since.”
In ‘Life in Christ, Volume 5, Life in God, Studies in 1 John’,
Martyn Lloyd-Jones said:
“Likewise with the people
who are guilty of antinomianism,
who say that such things do not matter to the Christian,
and who say that because they are Christians,
their actions, as it were, are irrelevant
– that it is the flesh that sinned,
not themselves.”
George Ong’s Interjection:
Martyn Lloyd-Jones is spot on again.
What Lloyd-Jones said
is what the Antinomian Joseph Prince
had stated in the videos
– that it isn’t believers who sinned
but it is the flesh in them that did it.
Back to Martyn Lloyd-Jones:
‘Oh no!’ says John; ‘all unrighteousness is sin;
anything which we ourselves recognise
as unworthy or imperfect is sin and nothing else.
You must not call it weakness or indiscretion
– it is sin; it is a violation of God’s law,
and anything that is a violation of God’s law is sin.’”
In ‘Life in Christ, Volume 3, Children of God, Studies in 1 John’,
Martyn Lloyd-Jones said:
“Or let me put it like this:
we know that we are children of God
when we are deeply aware of sin within.
I emphasise that deliberately.
It is only the children of God
who realise that they have a sinful nature.
The unregenerate, the natural men and women,
are not aware of a sinful nature.
They may admit that they do certain things
which they should not do,
but begin to tell them that they have a sinful nature,
that they are dead in trespasses and sins,
and they will hate you and begin to defend themselves;
they hate preaching that condemns them.”
… No, it is only the children of God
who realise that they have an utterly sinful nature.
It is only a saint like Charles Wesley who says,
‘Vile and full of sin I am.’
It was Saint Paul who said,
‘For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh),
dwelleth no good thing’ (Romans 7:18).
It is the Christian who cries out and says,
‘O wretched man that I am!
who shall deliver me from the body of this death?’ (Romans 7:24).
George Ong’s Interjection:
Did you notice the way Martyn Lloyd-Jones
described how true believers ought to be ‘sin-conscious’
in that they are aware of their sins,
is the opposite of what Joseph Prince said
in the 3 videos
– that when we sin, it’s not us
but our flesh who sinned
– a total denial of personal responsibility when we sin.
Back to Martyn Lloyd-Jones:
An unregenerate “believer”
has never uttered such words
and never can – it is impossible.
It is the indwelling Holy Spirit
that exposes our sinful nature
and the depths of sin and iniquity
that reside in our hearts.
‘The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?’ says Jeremiah (Jeremiah 17:9). ‘I dare not trust my sweetest frame,’ says the hymn-writer.
All these things are indications of the new nature
– an awareness of sin and above all a desire to be rid of it.
If you are hating the sin within you
and longing to be delivered and emancipated from it,
I assure you, you are a child of God
– it is one of the best signs.”
George Ong’s comments:
By what Martyn Lloyd-Jones has described,
Joseph Prince fits the bill of an unbeliever
rather than a believer.
In ‘Fellowship with God, Life in Christ: Volume One, Studies in 1 John’,
Martyn Lloyd-Jones said:
“So, if we do something that is wrong,
it is not we who have sinned,
the sin is merely in the flesh.
Hence the heresy known as antinomianism,
which means that as long as you are a Christian
and claim you know God in Christ,
it is immaterial what you do,
because you do not sin,
it is the flesh or body that sins.”
In ‘Exposition of Romans Chapter 9, God’s Sovereign Purpose,’
Martyn Lloyd-Jones said:
“Antinomianism!
It was rampant in the early church.
Antinomianism
– one of the greatest curses conceivable!”
George Ong’s comments:
Martyn Lloyd-Jones has described with a pinhole accuracy
the Antinomian teachings that Joseph Prince
has unfolded in the videos.
By what Martyn Lloyd-Jones said:
“Antinomianism
– one of the greatest curses conceivable!”
Joseph Prince
has not only brought curses on himself
but has also brought curses on the millions
who have been bought into his Antinomian teachings.
Finally, why do you think
Joseph Prince is able to hook
the multitudes of goats into his camp?
This is because goats
are looking for the ultimate feel-good theology
that when you sin,
it’s not you who have sinned, but your flesh
– whatever sin,
thoughts of anger, blasphemous thoughts,
adultery, covetousness – gambling in buying Toto, etc;
just ignore it and get on with life
because you are the righteousness of God in Christ.
Rev George Ong
Appendix
@jamesow5163
“Joseph Prince’s mentor, Paul the apostle, was bald
according to traditions.
Maybe, I didn’t study the Bible well,
I could not find Paul speaking to his hair to grow.”
@cutecuteoldold
“Joseph Prince, the best you can do
is to stop preaching and repent!
You do not know the Word of God,
Yet, you and your ‘ya ya’ way
preach whatever the spirit of deception tells you.
You think George Ong is your enemy?
No, he is just exposing your deception.
It takes for a courageous man of God to call you out.
May New Creation Church be people of the Word
and not a cultic church.”
@tanky815
“One thing I noticed about con artiste,
like Joseph Prince;
they are shamelessly bold;
can lie openly without blinking an eyelid;
with lots of conviction.”
@WordsofGodThe
“I am not against magic or magicians.
I talk about the magicians
because Joseph Prince gives me the impression
that he preaches the gospel
as though he is performing magic
or performing as a magician,
as though he believes in everything that he performs,
as though it is true,
as though he can lie or deceive with no lying conscience,
as though he is justified to do all the lying tricks,
as though he can collect your money
because of his ‘sacred’ performance,
as though you are under his control,
as though .. you know what I mean.
It means that, when he preaches the gospel with lies,
he has rationalized himself
to do it WITHOUT FEAR and GUILT
even if he knows that he is deceiving you.
That’s why his gaze at you is so confident,
so calm, so serious,
and yet so convincing with his lies, heresies, and double-talks.
However, deep down inside,
he knows that he is definitely lying.
I believe that many world-renowned magicians or illusionists
might dream to have that kind of confidence,
gaze, poses, and conviction
that can fool everyone.
However, I believe that many of them
cannot reach that level
which is enjoyed by Joseph Prince
as he mesmerized millions to see his ‘show’
and willingly give away most of their money
(if not all their money).
It is something spiritual;
not only mental and psychosomatic.
It involves all the spirit of magic
together with the spirit of darkness,
principalities, and power
including the spirit of lawlessness
to capture the hearts and minds of the people.
That’s why a world-renowned illusionist
like David Copperfield
would lose to Joseph Prince.
David Copperfield could only perform and sell his tickets
limited by the number of seats
in the auditoriums and stadiums;
but Joseph Prince
can ‘sell’ unlimited number of partnership ‘tickets’
to the whole world
and the price of those ‘tickets’
might range from the minimum of $1,000 onwards.
Nobody knows how many ‘tickets’ he has sold,
but judging from how successful
he can play with the ‘magics’ and ‘spirits’,
I suspect he has already become a millionaire (or multi-millionaire).
If you ask him, “Why would you do that?”
He will tell you,
“What’s wrong?
If King David and David Copperfield
can prosper without Jesus,
why can’t I prosper too?
I should prosper even more with Jesus!!!”
Obviously, this came from the same spirit
which might have controlled Simon too
when he thought of prospering
and using the MONEY
to manipulate the preaching (or ‘selling’) of the gospel
with signs and wonders: Act 8:18-22 KJV.”
@joyceliew4352
“Hmmm….since you mentioned,
do you all realise both Joseph Prince’s wrists
are always full of bracelets or some sort of straps.
It can be seen whenever he stretches his hands
as the long sleeves pull back.
The previous video just before this which Rev Ong shared
can see clearly the black straps
on both Joseph Prince’s wrists.
Joseph Prince likes to put on many bracelets/straps
on his wrists
but yet covers them like not willing to be seen by all.
The thickness of the straps
looks more like a chain that binds.
If I am not mistaken,
I remember I read somewhere in The Bible
about women who loves sewing magic charms
or put on their wrists in order to charm others.”
@user-vo3iy4ur6d
“He is full of self-praise and self-promotion
and quite eager to take credit.
It should have red flag us
when we were in New Creation Church,
but we have an overdose of false teachings and hypnotism.
However, once a person
is delivered out of the spirit of false teachers,
we begin to see clearer and clearer
until it becomes clear that Joseph Prince
is lying, double talker, full of self-praise, self-promotion,
promotes buying and listening to his sermons
more than the reading from the Maker’s manual;
it is a money thing, etc.”
@edmundsim6251
“3 nights ago, I actually read the entire book of John again
to refresh my Spirit.
I don’t think John 16:8-11 should be taken out of context.
By the way, I am using the NIV version.
End of John 15 (John 15:26 to John 16:15),
it is actually about Jesus sending the Advocate of the Holy Spirit
which is also the Holy Spirit of Truth
after he had departed to guide everyone to the truth.
(of course, there is a mention about the Holy Spirit will prove the world who is wrong about sin, righteous and Judgement (NIV version).
Presumably, it may be the NKJ/ ESV version
as it uses convict instead of prove.
The main problem with Joseph Prince
is that he likes to take very short verses
out of the chapter’s parable
and twist the main meaning to his own,
without touching on the header of the chapter.
This one, I can testify
as I had been in New Creation Church for a few years.
He seldom goes through the proper meaning
of that particular verse in its entirety.
New Christians will be confused
and the verses that are used
won’t be properly justified in its use.
I am kind of confused by Joseph Prince
as he is being quite vague about his beliefs/preaching.
If Joseph Prince has stuck to the chapter header
and tells people that the Holy Spirit
is the Spirit of truth and will guide them
by pointing it out,
then it won’t be as complex as it looked.
But his problem is that he wants to use the verses
to justify something else or his own agenda;
so, it becomes more distorted.
I think even Joseph Prince himself got confused by himself.”
@joyceliew4352
“Hebrews 12:5, we see that the word “rebuke”
is actually the same Greek word
translated as “convict” in John 16:8.
Thank you, Rev Ong,
I also didn’t realise to look up the word “rebuke”
for clearer understanding through Greek translation.
I went and looked up for it
and yes, it is explained “convict”, “to expose”
or “to reprove”.
Indeed, Holy Spirit does “rebuke, convict, expose” us
when we sin against God in our conduct
so that we will repent
and confess our sins for His forgiveness.
1651. elegchó ►(el-eng’-kho) Definition: to expose, convict, reproveUsage: (a) I reprove, rebuke, discipline, (b) I expose, show to be guilty
I don’t know why Joseph Prince felt so offended
hearing Holy Spirit does convicts us of sin!
Imagine our children tell us not to correct them
when they sin?
But instead to compliment them
as the righteousness of God in Christ!
As a believer of Christ,
we should feel grateful and loved by our Father
because He corrects our paths
whenever we go the wrong way,
calling our attention to turn back unto Him.
Only the devil would want us to keep going the wrong way
until we finally fall off the cliff
and down to our destruction!
Please ask ourselves why Joseph Prince
didn’t want to further explain the word “rebuke”
to be the same as “convict” to his congregations?
I also realised Joseph Prince
will only teach certain words of The Bible in Hebrews/ Greek
if it will support his intentions
but if not,
he will just bypass it and quickly jump into another verse
or starts his own explanation
to make us believe that’s the truth!
No wonder I am always so confused
and can’t seem to understand
or share much to others what Joseph Prince has taught.
I will ask them to buy Joseph Prince’s books or CDs
to listen for themselves.
Now, to think back, it is so silly of me.
I myself also cannot understand after hearing so many times,
yet I expect others to understand.
Joseph Prince said we should be appreciative of his teachings.
Even the Bible School wouldn’t teach like he does!
Joseph Prince said his teachings
are like fresh bread comes directly from Heaven to us!”