Joseph Prince’s ‘As He is, so are we in this world’, is refuted by Martyn Lloyd-Jones & John Stott – By Rev George Ong (Dated 3 Nov 2022)
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1 John 4:17 NKJV
17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
“Like I’ve taught before, ‘As He is so am I in this world.’ Does Jesus have this disease? Does Jesus have that disease now? No. So as He is, so am I in this world.”
I have conclusively refuted Joseph Prince’s teaching that believers can claim perfect healing based on 1 John 4:17 in a previous article.
I would strongly advise that you to read this previous article, if you haven’t, or have forgotten about its content:
“As He is, so are we in this world”, Teaching of Joseph Prince is Debunked – by Rev George Ong (Dated 16 Oct 2021)
by clicking below;
Most of the points of rebuttal against Joseph Prince’s perfect health teaching are covered in the above article, so I won’t repeat them in this article, except for one point about my healing testimonies.
If you don’t read the previous article about my rebuttal against the perfect healing doctrine as advocated by Joseph Prince, you would have a truncated view of this issue.
For those who haven’t read them, please click on the link below to view my 2 testimonies:
Besides me and the majority of Pastors, both Martyn Lloyd-Jones and John Stott, have never taught in this area of perfect healing, and based on 1 John 4:17.
In ‘Life in Christ, Volume 4, The Love of God, Studies in 1 John’ and commenting on 1 John 4:16-17, Martyn Lloyd-Jones said;
“‘Let this mind be in you,’ says Paul. ‘Yes,’ says John, ‘as he is, so are we’; we are like that because He is in us. If we are truly His in this world, we are ready to come down and humble ourselves, to be misunderstood, to be laughed at and treated with scorn and derision, in a sense to be crucified – certainly in spirit, perhaps even in body – anything that may help, being always ready to do good, ready to please, not always on the defensive, not always demanding our rights and justice, but coming right down as He came down. ‘As he is …’”
“This, it seems to me, is the right way of viewing our sanctification. Sanctification must always be viewed positively and not negatively. There is nothing I know that is so tragic and unscriptural as the way in which people persist in thinking of sanctification as the mere absence of certain sins. Because they are not guilty of certain sins, they say, ‘We are sanctified.’ But the biblical way to test your sanctification is to ask, ‘Am I like Christ?’ Can I say, ‘As He is, so am I in this world’? It is a positive, upward view.”
“That in its essence is the teaching of the Bible with regard to this great subject of the Day of Judgment. What John would have us see is that if we want to think of that Day of Judgment without fear, if we want to be able to face it with boldness now, and if we want to stand with boldness and not be ashamed at that great morning, we must give added diligence to loving the brethren. For if I dwell in love, then I know before I face Him on His judgment throne that I may look at Him with boldness at the Day of Judgment, because ‘as he is, so are we in this world.’ If I know that I have His nature in me here and now, I shall be able to face Him with boldness when I stand before Him.”
Did you realise that Martyn Lloyd-Jones never talked about the area of healing in his exposition of 1 John 4:17?
What Martyn Lloyd-Jones said, ‘as he is, so are we in this world,’ is about being like Christ and taking upon the character of Christ, as that is the sure factor that we can confidently stand before God on the day of judgement.
If you know the thorough, detailed and ‘leaving no stone unturned’ expository style of Lloyd-Jones, and if this verse is talking about healing, he would have mentioned it.
The fact that he didn’t, shows that healing, much less perfect healing, is never the context nor the content of 1 John 4:17.
In ‘Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, The Letters of John’, and commenting on 1 John 4:17, John Stott wrote;
“It is grounded upon the fact that in this world we are like him (sc. Christ). To be sure, we are not yet like him in our character or in our bodies (3:2), although to some extent we do resemble him in our conduct (2:6; 3:3)…”
John Stott by stating that
“… we are not yet like him… in our bodies…”
is a clear refutation of Joseph Prince’s teaching – that just because Christ has a perfect body without disease, we, too, can experience perfect healing in this world.
Who do you trust?
Joseph Prince, the Serial Liar, Serial Double-Talker & Serial Hypocrite – all these allegations I’ve made against him are proven – see my website, or
Martyn Lloyd-Jones & John Stott who are both giants in expository preaching and highly respected in the Christian world for their Biblical teaching?
Rev George Ong