Joseph Prince said we are already in that resurrection; is he correct? – By Rev George Ong (Dated 2 Mar 2024)

 

Featured YouTube Comments from 4 Ex New Creation Church Members:

 

@joyceliew4352 (1st Ex New Creation Church member):

 

“Now, to think back just before Covid,

 

New Creation Church decided to buy over the entire building

 

WITHOUT even informing the congregation.

 

We were shocked and disappointed.

 

… We were told only after they had officially bought it.

 

We felt cheated

 

because we bring in the tithe every month faithfully.

 

If we ever missed giving the tithe,

 

the church will inform the leader

 

to ask us why we have stopped giving the tithe

 

since we serve in the church.

 

Since then, we realised New Creation Church’s dealings with church funds

 

is hidden from us;

 

we started to ask questions,

 

and in return,

 

our leader rebuked us why we had asked?

 

Every time whenever we want

 

to enquire something about the church funds,

 

the response was kind of a hostile.

 

We have been with New Creation Church since 2005,

 

yet we cannot ask such genuine question?

 

… Every church is to be transparent

 

with how they handled the funds!”

 

@joyceliew4352 (1st Ex New Creation Church member):

 

“Yes, they track the server’s tithing records.

 

We were also wondering!

 

According to our leader’s explanation,

 

the church requires all who serve must tithe

 

to prove our sincerity and commitment to serve!

 

I remembered there was a lady we met

 

who shared with us that she couldn’t serve

 

because she didn’t tithe.

 

Such a personal thing

 

the church can demand for it,

 

whereas when we ask about the church’s financial situation

 

kena (got) rebuked.

 

… Glad that we left this church

 

or should I call it an organisation!”

 

@DvdLTW (2nd Ex New Creation Church member):

 

“If you’re serving in a ministry

 

and suddenly stopped or missed tithing,

 

your leader will approach you with these Scriptures,

 

in Luke 16, specifically verses 10-13.

 

… To serve in any ministry in New Creation Church,

 

you need to attend service regularly

 

and tithe consistently.

 

However, there’s no membership

 

and no voting privilege

 

for the ‘lay’ congregation or ‘normal’ servers.”

 

Janice Lee, (3rd Ex New Creation Church member) shared in her Testimony:

 

Why the giving of money to the church is a criterion before one can qualify to serve in New Creation Church.

 

“I did apply to serve as an Usher at New Creation Church.

 

I presumed they did not contact me

 

because I didn’t tithe regularly for 6 months.

 

I gave to New Creation Church, but not regularly.

 

I wondered why money would be a criterion to serve God.

 

Later, I found out from someone

 

who attends the church for a long time,

 

and she told me that giving 10 percent of my income

 

is a requirement of serving in the church.”

 

In a sermon on 28 Jan 2024, Joseph Prince said;

 

Please click here to view the 10-second video:

 

“What does love,

 

what does love delight in,

 

serve.”

 

George Ong’s comments:

 

It seems that love is not the only criterion

 

to serve the church.

 

Another must-have before you can be allowed

 

to serve in New Creation Church,

 

is whether you have given money to her. 

 

But the bigger question is

 

how can Joseph Prince, the Super-grace preacher,

 

who is in charge of a Super-grace church

 

be so legalistic

 

and ‘so law’ with regards to money!

 

@logerkenn6331 (4th Ex New Creation Church member)

 

“Thank you, Mr Pen,

 

I really enjoyed being enlightened by your teaching.

 

Each week, I look forward to your post

 

to receive meaty lessons

 

to unlearn years of indoctrination

 

from New Creation Church.

 

I’m sure there are plenty like me

 

who are still stuck there that need deliverance.

 

Praying their eyes are opened soon.

 

Thank you for patiently scrutinizing Joseph Prince’s sermon

 

for the benefits of many.

 

Please continue the good work,

 

for the way to salvation and truth

 

is always narrow and lonely.”

 

The significance of Philippians 3:11 is often overlooked:

 

Most of us are familiar with Philippian 3:10,

 

Philippians 3:10 NIV

10 I want to know Christ – yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 

 

but many have somehow missed the meaning

 

and the real significance of Philippians 3:11,

 

Philippians 3:11 NIV

11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

 

This article will unfold the significance of Philippians 3:11 for you.

 

Important Qualification:

 

In the video, I said:

 

“Because Paul did not take for granted

 

he’s once saved, always saved

 

the heresy of Joseph Prince.”

 

Let me clarify that the ‘Perseverance of the Saints’ doctrine

 

is both similar to

 

and yet crucially different

 

from Joseph Prince’s unconditional eternal security doctrine.

 

They are similar in that both believe

 

that a believer can never lose his salvation.

 

But there is a discernible and crucial difference between them.

 

Joseph Prince believes that a believer

 

is only saved by justification.

 

But the ‘Perseverance of the Saints’ doctrine

 

believes that both justification and sanctification

 

are essential for saving faith.

 

In other words, a believer is saved

 

not just by saying the sinner’s prayer (justification),

 

but he must also show that he is saved

 

by the evidence of a sanctified life.

 

That is the critical difference.

 

That makes the ‘Perseverance of the Saints’

 

a true doctrine of the gospel.

 

But Joseph Prince has removed sanctification,

 

which is an essential part of saving faith

 

from the salvation equation

 

– thereby making his justification-only gospel

 

a false gospel that doesn’t save.

 

So, while I disagree with some portions of the

 

‘Perseverance of the Saints’ doctrine

 

– that one can never lose his salvation

 

– because I believe one can

 

– that if one falls away from the faith,

 

he is never a believer to start with

 

– while I believe that can happen,

 

that is only one scenario.

 

The other scenario is that one can be a true believer

 

and yet fall away from the faith.

 

Yet, I fully agree with the ‘Perseverance of the Saints’ doctrine

 

that both justification and sanctification

 

are essential for salvation.

 

So, when I said the once saved, always saved doctrine

 

of Joseph Prince is heretical,

 

I am not referring to the Perseverance of the Saints’ doctrine,

 

which is a true gospel of salvation. 

 

(This article was also sent to Rev Dr Ngoei Foong Nghian, General Secretary, National Council of Churches of Singapore (NCCS) office, and for the attention of the Executive Committee Members.)

 

Please click here

 

to view the entire video.

 

In a Sunday sermon aired on YouTube,

 

18 Feb 2024, 2 Sundays ago, Joseph Prince said;

 

Please click here to view the 15-second video:

 

“Our Lord Jesus Christ rose from the dead,

 

never to die again

 

and we are in that resurrection.

 

Actually, you heard what I said,

 

we are in that resurrection,

 

not going to be.

 

We are already in that resurrection.” 

 

George Ong’s comments:

 

What Joseph Prince said

 

confirms that he doesn’t believe in sanctification.

 

If Joseph Prince really believes in sanctification,

 

he will not say:

 

“and we are in that resurrection.

 

Actually, you heard what I said,

 

we are in that resurrection,

 

not going to be.

 

We are already in that resurrection.” 

 

Though all believers are assured

 

that they will be resurrected,

 

every believer must still persevere in their faith.

 

If they don’t and fall away,

 

or started to get themselves engaged in unrepentant sins,

 

they will not enter the kingdom of God (1 Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-5).

 

But Joseph Prince does not teach in that way.

 

He always tells people after they say the sinners’ prayer

 

that they are already saved,

 

and they will not lose their salvation,

 

as they are once saved, always saved.

 

This is nothing more than the justification-only

 

and minus sanctification gospel,

 

which is a half-gospel,

 

and a half-gospel does not save. 

 

What is worse is that Joseph Prince lied publicly

 

that he believes in sanctification,

 

particularly in progressive sanctification

 

and even dares to publish the doctrinal statement

 

of progressive sanctification

 

on his official Church’s website. 

 

Please see the Appendix

 

for some explanation of this saga.

 

In a sermon, Derek Prince said;

 

Please click here to view the 1-minute video:

 

“Paul sets his sights on the resurrection

 

and he said something very powerful.

 

He said,

 

“If by any means

 

I may attain to the resurrection (Phil 3:11).”

 

Paul didn’t take for granted

 

that he would attain to the resurrection.

 

Dear brother and sister,

 

you will not drift into the resurrection.

 

If you’re drifting,

 

you’ll end (up) somewhere else.

 

It requires a real solemn commitment and determination.

 

I’m sorry to say that I meet thousands of Christians,

 

who really don’t take this sufficiently seriously.

 

If Paul had to say,

 

“If by any means I may attain to the resurrection,”

 

who are you or I to say:

 

“Well, we’ll get there anyhow?

 

Are we on the same spiritual level as Paul?

 

Probably not.

 

But even Paul didn’t take it for granted.”   

 

In a sermon, David Pawson said;

 

Please click here to view the 1-minute video:

 

“And the Book of Revelation explains that,

 

because it says

 

there will be two resurrections at the end of history.

 

And the first is the resurrection of the righteous;

 

the second is the resurrection of everybody else for judgement.

 

And he (Paul) says,

 

“I want to be in the first resurrection.

 

That’s what my goal is;

 

my goal is to be raised from the dead

 

when Jesus gets back.”

 

And you notice that that’s a goal

 

he’s still working for; he is still going for.

 

He isn’t saying,

 

“I’m bound to have that

 

because I’ve got my ticket to heaven.”

 

No, he says,

 

“I am pressing on

 

because I want to be in that first resurrection.”

 

Once again, there is the negative side

 

that little warning, you could miss that,

 

and then you’re just resurrected with the rest for judgment.”

 

In a teaching session, George Ong said;

 

Please click here to view the 7-minute video:

 

10 I want to know Christ – yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 

 

11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal,

 

Okay, maybe we stop here:

 

“And so somehow

 

attaining to the resurrection of the dead.” (Phil 3:11)

 

Do you notice something strange?

 

“And so somehow” only, you know.

 

“And so somehow”

 

attaining to the resurrection of the dead.

 

Eh, Paul is not so sure

 

about whether he would be resurrected or not.

 

Now, there are 2 resurrections.

 

First, is the resurrection of the righteous in Revelation 20,

 

talked about the First resurrection.

 

It’s the resurrection of the righteous.

 

The Second resurrection would be the resurrection

 

of all the unbelievers, one thousand years later.

 

So here Paul was talking about the First resurrection.

 

“Somehow, attaining from the dead.”

 

Now I’m going to be showing you

 

some other translations which shows that Paul isn’t sure.

 

“That, if possible,” you know.”

 

“If possible,” only, you know.

 

RSV, “I may attain from the resurrection from the dead.”

 

Eh, how come, if possible.

 

Another translation, ESV,

 

“that by any means possible

 

I may attain the resurrection of the dead.”

 

Eh, what’s going on Paul?

 

How come you are a bit unsure now?

 

Another translation CEV,

 

“so I may perhaps,” Wah, worse.

 

“May perhaps reach the goal

 

of the resurrection of the dead.”

 

What’s going on, Paul?

 

Hey, Paul this is not the picture I have of you, men.

 

Everybody preach that you are so confident.

 

What’s happening?

 

“So that somehow, I also may be raised to life.”

 

May be only, you know, somehow.

 

Now, these 4 translations, as in the NIV,

 

expressed the vague confidence of the Apostle Paul

 

that he would be resurrected.

 

You know what’s happening?

 

Again, Paul acts consistently.

 

Just now he tell you right, I must fight, I must run.

 

I just keep my body in check

 

because I might be disqualified for the prize – eternal salvation.

 

Paul is consistent here.

 

He doesn’t take his salvation for granted.

 

What do you think it’s happening?

 

Perseverance.

 

Because Paul did not take for granted

 

He is once saved, always saved

 

– the heresy of Joseph Prince.

 

Paul did not take for granted.

 

That is why he said,

     

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 

 

13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 

 

14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize, (this is resurrection, salvation) for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

 

So, he (Paul) never take his salvation for granted.

 

That’s why he tells us he has to run.

 

He has to fight.

 

He has to do all these things.

 

Sanctification preacher.

 

He strains forward to reach that.

 

He never takes for granted.

 

Sanctification.

 

He’s a sanctification preacher as well. 

 

Now,

 

4 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

 

What is this prize?

 

Another version says it clearly,

 

14 I run toward the goal, so I can win the prize of being called to heaven. This is the prize God offers because of what Christ Jesus has done.

 

“receive the prize for which God is calling us up to heaven.” (Phil 3:14 TLB)

 

“get the prize that is mine because God has called me through Christ Jesus to life up there in heaven.” (Phil 3:14 ERV)

 

So this prize has not to do with rewards or service

 

but resurrection and salvation.

 

Philippian 3:10-14 NIV

10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 

 

11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection

from the dead.

 

12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 

 

13 Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 

 

14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

 

Joseph Prince after hearing George say all the “I”, “I”, “I”

 

cannot Tahan (take it), he said,

 

“George, you are getting very egoistic, you know.

 

Why do you have to say “I” ah, so many times, ah?

 

It seems you are getting into works-religion

 

– I must do this; I must do that, ah.

 

Didn’t I tell you once you start to emphasise

 

on man’s responsibility in our salvation,

 

instead of just focusing on God, ah,

 

you will become self-centred.

 

Didn’t I tell you salvation is all about Christ

 

and what he has done for us?

 

That’s why people know that I am Christ-centred

 

because I always preach Christ

 

and not about what we must do.

 

Christ has done everything

 

and we must do nothing.”

 

George will reply to Joseph:

 

“The reason why I am emphasising the word “I”

 

is simply because it is reflected in the scriptures.

 

Oh, now I get it, Joseph,

 

whenever we simply follow what the scriptures say,

 

you always accuse us of being not Christ-centred

 

and for being self-centred.

 

You are the one who blatantly twist the scriptures time and again

 

to protect your false doctrine

 

and you have the cheek to say

 

you are focusing on God

 

and you are being Christ-centred.

 

Please don’t pick a quarrel with me

 

but take your grouses to the Apostle Paul

 

because he was the one who wrote Philippian 3:10-14.

 

If just be reading all the six “I’s” in the passage

 

is being egoistic,

 

then you are accusing Paul to be an egoist too

 

because he was the one who used the word “I” six times

 

in the passage.

 

I am only teaching what Paul

 

and what the scriptures taught.”

 

So, he (Joseph Prince) always play this games.

 

He’ll always say, it’s about Christ, all about God,

 

not about you.

 

So, you do nothing.

 

Don’t talk about you.

 

Don’t talk about your obedience.

 

Talk about Christ’s obedience.

 

But we are talking about scriptures.

 

He’s trying to tell us not to obey the scriptures.

 

Paul says he must do this, so many things

 

because sanctification rest on you.

 

Again, I’m not saying that, it’s you, you, you.

 

No, no.

 

You have to cry out to God, God help us.

 

Lord, I know the onus is on us,

 

but you have to help me,

 

persevere, strengthen and endure. 

 

Why am I highlighting “I” in the passage?

 

I am not promoting the self-centred “I”.

 

I am emphasising the responsible “I”.

 

I am reminding ourselves besides God’s part (justification),

 

we must not play down on man’s responsibility (sanctification)

 

in our theology of salvation

 

as the presence or absence of it

 

can affect our eternal destiny.

 

Joseph Prince’s justification-only doctrine for salvation

 

that Christ-has-done-everything-for-us

 

and we-must-not-do-anything teaching

 

is once again exposed to be false.

           

Charles Spurgeon said:

 

“Justification without sanctification

 

would not be salvation at all.”

 

Meaning to say, very clear,

 

Joseph Prince’s justification only salvation doctrine

 

is half gospel.

 

Half gospel is a false gospel.”

 

In summary, when Joseph Prince said:

 

“… and we are in that resurrection.

 

Actually, you heard what I said,

 

we are in that resurrection,

 

not going to be.

 

We are already in that resurrection,” 

 

it only proves that he doesn’t believe in sanctification.

 

And a justification-only and minus sanctification gospel

 

is a false gospel that does not save. 

 

Rev George Ong

 

Appendix

 

Joseph Prince lied he believed in progressive sanctification:

 

Joseph Prince may protest:

 

“Hey, George, who says I don’t believe in sanctification,

 

especially on the present and future aspects

 

and the progressive nature of sanctification?

 

Are you blind?

 

Haven’t you read what I have put up on my website?”

 

Let’s do Joseph Prince a favour

 

by looking at what he put on the website:

 

“We believe in progressive sanctification.

 

The moment we received Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, we were forgiven, cleansed, perfected in righteousness, and saved. We were also sanctified in Christ (Hebrews 10:10).

 

However, it is important to understand that the revelation and outworking of our sanctification in Christ are progressive.

 

As a believer, we cannot become more righteous, but we can become more sanctified or holy in terms of how we live our lives.

 

In other words, while a believer has been justified and made righteous by the blood of Jesus once and for all, sanctification is ongoing in their growth as a Christian.

 

The more one grows in grace and in their relationship with the Lord—the more one is washed again and again by the water of the word of God’s grace—the more one grows in sanctification and holiness.

 

This is why the author of the book of Hebrews says that we “are being sanctified” even though we have been “perfected forever” by Christ’s one act of obedience at the cross (Hebrews 10:14).”

 

The above doctrinal statements on sanctification

 

that appeared on New Creation Church’s website

 

sounds impressive.

 

In fact, it is doctrinally correct.

 

But don’t be deceived.

 

You must be aware that these statements on sanctification

 

on the website

 

only appeared fairly recently

 

as compared to Joseph Prince’s 30 years of preaching ministry.

 

I have done a thorough sweep,

 

and I cannot find similar statements

 

on the progressive nature of sanctification

 

in the first 3 books (books written earlier) that were published:

 

‘Destined To Reign’ (2007),

 

‘Unmerited Favor’ (2010)

 

and ‘The Power of Right Believing’ (2013).

 

Such similar statements on the website

 

were only found in one of his latest books

 

‘Grace Revolution’ written in 2015.

 

Why?

 

Because this is a knee-jerk reaction to Michael Brown’s book,

 

‘Hyper-Grace: Exposing the Dangers of the Modern Grace Message’

 

written in 2014.

 

In other words, the concept of progressive sanctification

 

appeared only recently in 2015 as a cover-up

 

to Joseph Prince’s false teaching on sanctification.

 

What this means is that Joseph Prince doesn’t really believe

 

in progressive sanctification as the Bible teaches.

 

But because he knows that his false teaching on sanctification

 

has been severely exposed, particularly by Michael Brown in 2014,

 

he has no choice but to come up

 

with a biblical statement

 

on the progressive nature of sanctification

 

as a form of damage control in 2015.

 

The test is not only whether one puts up a biblical statement

 

on an issue on the website.

 

The real test is whether Joseph Prince actually practises

 

what he puts up regarding sanctification

 

and its progressive nature on his website.

 

And I will prove to you that here is a case

 

where Joseph Prince says one thing,

 

or writes one thing,

 

or puts up one thing on the website

 

concerning sanctification,

 

but does another.

 

What’s the use of putting up a theoretical front

 

when you are not even practising

 

what you have publicly declared

 

because you don’t believe in it?

 

First, if Joseph Prince really believes in sanctification

 

and that it is progressive,

 

why is there not a single sermon preached on sanctification

 

is his 30 odd years of preaching ministry.

 

In fact, Joseph Prince teaches against sanctification,

 

and he conveniently lumps it together with justification,

 

treating both justification and sanctification as the same

 

(of course, he won’t admit it).

 

That’s the reason whenever he talks about the issue of salvation,

 

Joseph Prince always talks about justification,

 

about the finished work of the cross,

 

about the fact that we are the righteousness of God in Christ,

 

but hardly about sanctification.

 

What is worse is that Joseph Prince

 

even scorned the sacred teaching of holiness or sanctification.

 

Joseph Prince has scorned holiness,

 

when he said that it was merely by accident,

 

something that is totally unscriptural

 

and way off our biblical understanding of the topic.

 

And he delivered it in front of a massive Christian audience,

 

who was scorning in laughter,

 

after hearing what Joseph Prince said, holiness is by accident.

 

So, in summary, I have proven to you,

 

when Joseph Prince puts up the doctrinal statements

 

on the progressive nature of sanctification on his website,

 

it is only a recent affair.

 

It is to cover up his false doctrine of sanctification merely,

 

and a form of damage control

 

because of what Michael Brown had written in his book,

 

‘Hyper-Grace: Exposing the Dangers of the Modern Grace Message’ in 2014.

 

which pointed out that his false teaching on sanctification,

 

which is not progressive before 2014.

 

And as I have told you,

 

I have done a thorough sweep of his 3 earlier books,

 

and they do not contain any teaching that sanctification is progressive.

 

It was only in his later book, ‘Grace Revolution’ in 2015

 

that the concept of progressive nature of sanctification

 

began to appear.

 

I have also revealed that while Joseph Prince

 

may put the doctrinal statements on sanctification

 

on his website,

 

but he actually doesn’t believe in them

 

because he had not preached a single sermon on sanctification,

 

not to mention progressive sanctification,

 

in his 30 years of preaching ministry.

 

What is worse is that Joseph Prince preaches against sanctification with scorn

 

when he said, holiness or sanctification is an accident.

 

By saying holiness or sanctification is an accident,

 

clearly shows that to him, sanctification is not progressive,

 

and that his idea of sanctification is false to start with.

 

That is why I said that his only-justification

 

but minus-sanctification salvation doctrine

 

is a false gospel that cannot save.  

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