Joseph Prince: Jesus prepares heaven for 2,000 years; we get stay there for only 7 years, then come back to earth for 1,000 years – make sense? – By Rev George Ong (Dated 10 July 2024)

 

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after viewing the YouTube video and reading the Article.

 

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See Appendix 1

 

for more discussion

 

on John 14:1-3 and Matthew 24:29-31.

 

See Appendix 2

 

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There are 2 videos each on Derek Prince & Michael Brown

 

& 1 video on Joseph Prince.

 

Excerpt No 1 from the Article:

 

John 14:1-3 could be one of the most misunderstood texts in scripture:

 

2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? (Jn 14:2 NIV)

 

My Father’s house in John 14:2 isn’t referring to heaven.

 

Please read on to understand my reasons for saying so.

 

Excerpt No 2 from the Article:

 

It would be strange and hardly logical

 

for Jesus to take the Church to heaven

 

and live in the so-called heavenly mansions

 

for only a brief 7 years,

 

only to vacate for a thousand years,

 

in the millennial reign of Christ,

 

in order to rule with Christ on earth. 

 

Now, please consider this logic

 

that Joseph Prince is propounding.

 

Jesus takes us up to heaven

 

to the place He has been preparing

 

for us for the last 2,000 years.

 

And how long do we get to stay there in heaven?

 

Only 7 years.

 

We then have to come back down with Him at His return

 

and reign with him in the millennium for how long?

 

For a hefty 1,000 years on earth.

 

Just think

 

– the place that Jesus has been preparing for us

 

for the last 2,000 years

 

will only be occupied by us for a mere 7 years.

 

Does that even make sense?

 

Prepare for a lengthy 2,000 years;

 

stay there for only 7 years.

 

Then, we will have to vacate

 

our so-called heavenly mansions in the sky

 

and stay on earth for how long?

 

– 1,000 years.

 

Does that sound logical to you?

 

(This article was also sent to Rev Dr Ngoei Foong Nghian, General Secretary, National Council of Churches of Singapore (NCCS) office, and for the attention of the Executive Committee Members.)

 

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In the sermon on 7 July 2024, 3 days ago,

 

Joseph Prince said;

 

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“The rapture (Pre-tribulation rapture)

 

was first taught in the Upper Room

 

when Jesus says (John 14:1-3),

 

‘Let not your heart be troubled,

 

neither let it be afraid.

 

You believe in God, believe also in me.

 

In my Father’s house are many mansions.

 

I go to prepare a place for you.

 

And if I go and prepare a place for you,

 

I will come again and receive you unto myself.

 

That where I am there you may be also.’ 

 

In a teaching session, Michael Brown said;

 

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“What about John 14

 

that Jesus would go and prepare a place for us?

 

It doesn’t say He’s going to heaven

 

to prepare a place for us in heaven.

 

It says In His father’s house there are many rooms.

 

That Greek word, ‘room’ is found later in John 14.

 

In fact, you won’t find it elsewhere.

 

You will find it later in John 14

 

where Jesus says that He and his father will come

 

and dwell with us.

 

We will have rooms here.

 

In other words, it is a spiritual dwelling

 

that He is preparing for us that we are enjoying now.

 

The idea that He is going to go to heaven,

 

prepare room for us, which we get to enjoy 7 years

 

and then come back to Him with Him on earth

 

where He rules and reigns

 

is completely ludicrous.”

 

John 14:1-3 could be one of the most misunderstood texts in scripture:

 

2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? (Jn 14:2 NIV)

 

My Father’s house in John 14:2 isn’t referring to heaven.

 

Please read on to understand my reasons for saying so.

 

There are 2 Parts to this Article.

 

Part 1: From the Salvation Perspective:

 

John 14:1-3 NKJV

1 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many 

mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

 

In the days when the King James version was written,

 

a “mansion” was understood to be just a room,

 

and not a huge and extravagant house

 

like we understand today.

 

That is why today,

 

almost all the translations

 

translated the passage more pertinently

 

as “many dwelling places”, or “many rooms”,

 

instead of mansions:

 

John 14:1-3 MEV

1 “Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God. Believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places. If it were not so, I would have told you. I am going to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, you may be also.

 

John 14:1-3 NIV

1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

 

It seems that Joseph Prince is still living in the past

 

– still thinking about mansions,

 

probably because of his health and wealth theology,

 

when many have moved on to rooms and dwelling places.

 

In the upper room, Jesus told His disciples

 

that He must go away to prepare a place for them.

 

Yet, this has nothing to do with Jesus going to heaven

 

to build mansions for them

 

as taught by Joseph Prince.

 

First, heaven is not even mentioned once in the text

 

and the whole chapter.

 

Second, as I shall cover in Part 2, “Father’s house”

 

is never used as a term in scripture to describe heaven. 

 

So, in context,

 

Jesus’ going is not to go to heaven to prepare a place for them.

 

His going is specifically to prepare a place for them

 

– referred primarily to the crucifixion.

 

Since this discourse took place the night before the crucifixion,

 

it seems natural that Jesus was preparing the disciples

 

for what would happen the following day.

 

Jesus was preparing the disciples

 

for the events of the following day

 

by foretelling the crucifixion.

 

As you read John 14:1-3 within its context,

 

you will see that Jesus was speaking of His “going away”

 

to the cross to redeem mankind.

 

In the larger context of John chapter 13

 

immediately preceding the passage in question in chapter 14,

 

Jesus’ “going away” meant going to the cross:

 

John 13:33, 36-38 – 14:1-3 NIV

33 “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come. 36 Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?” Jesus replied,

“Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” 37 Peter asked, “Lord, why can’t I follow you now? I will lay down my life for you.” 38 Then Jesus answered, “Will you really lay down your life for me? Very truly I tell you, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times!

1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

 

This is strongly implied in Jesus’ remark to Peter

 

about his impending denial.

 

In John 13:36,

 

Jesus told Peter that he could not follow Him yet,

 

but that he would follow Him afterwards.

 

This is most likely a reference to Peter’s martyrdom

 

Jesus foretold in John 21:18-19.

 

Since Jesus told Peter he could not follow Him now,

 

but would follow Him later,

 

His “going away” is certainly referring to His crucifixion.

 

Jesus first spoke of “going away” in chapter 13

 

and then again at the beginning of chapter 14.

 

His going to “prepare a place for you”

 

should be understood within this context.

 

So where was Jesus going?

 

Jesus was going to the cross

 

to prepare the way of salvation for them.

 

In John 14:1-3,

 

Joseph Prince teaches that Christ is going away to heaven

 

to prepare mansions for His disciples

 

and then to take them from earth to heaven

 

at the rapture (Pretribulation rapture)

 

to escape the tribulation.

 

But this is never stated in the text

 

as both the words, “heaven”

 

and “rapture” (or the idea of rapture or equivalents words to it)

 

are totally absent from the text.

 

Joseph Prince has once again read into the text

 

in order to prove his doctrine. 

 

Jesus was consoling His disciples

 

about His going away in John 14:1.

 

He explained that His going away

 

will work to their advantage

 

as He will prepare the “dwelling places”

 

where they can experience His ever-abiding presence:

 

John 14:1-3 MEV

1 “Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God. Believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places. If it were not so, I would have told you. I am going to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, you may be also.

 

This will be accomplished by His obedience

 

to die on the cross

 

and achieve the salvation of mankind.

 

Once a believer is saved and “in Christ”

 

he will experience the ever-presence of Jesus and His Father

 

by constantly dwelling in their presence.

 

No wonder Jesus in John 14:23 says,

 

“We will come to him

 

and make Our dwelling place with him.”

 

John 14:23 AMP

23 Jesus answered, “If anyone [really] loves Me, he will keep My word (teaching); and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our dwelling place with him.

 

When we cross reference this with John 14:2,

 

when Jesus says,

 

“In My Father’s house are many dwelling places,”

 

we can now understand that Jesus wasn’t referring to heaven

 

but to an abiding relationship we can have

 

with both the Father and Him.

 

Some Psalms describe God himself as our “dwelling place”.

 

Psalm 90:1 NIV

“Lord, you have been our dwelling place   throughout all generations.”

 

Psalm 91:9 NIV 

If you say, “The Lord is my refuge,” and you make the Most High your dwelling,

 

In other words, God’s “house” or “dwelling place”

 

is wherever God is

 

and wherever his presence is manifest.

 

If we go one step further

 

and refer to the many references

 

in John 14:10, and 17, and 15:4-10,

 

which stresses the disciples’ abiding relationship with Christ,

 

we can be sure that the “dwelling places”

 

is not to live in mansions in the sky (heaven)

 

but experiencing a constant and abiding spiritual union

 

with Christ and His Father.

 

Now we can understand why Jesus said,

 

“I will come again and receive you to Myself,

 

that where I am, you may be also.”

 

John 14:1-3 MEV

1 “Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God. Believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many dwelling places. If it were not so, I would have told you. I am going to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, you may be also.

 

But Jesus didn’t say,

 

“I will receive you to Myself

 

so that I can take you to the mansions in heaven.”

 

No one should ever deny that there is a literal heaven.

 

Yet, in the immediate context of John 14:1-3

 

and the larger context of John chapters 13-17,

 

what Jesus is talking about is not heaven,

 

but the spiritual relationship to the Father

 

through our union with Christ

 

because of what Christ has done for us on the cross.

 

Last, and in summary,

 

let me close the loop by bringing in John 14:4-7

 

as part of the whole context:

 

John 13:33, 36 – 14:1-7 NIV

33 “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come. 36 Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?” Jesus replied, 

“Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.”

1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. 4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t know where you are going, so how can we know the way?” 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

 

To Thomas’ question in verse 5

 

that they don’t know where Jesus is going in verses 2, 3 and 4,

 

so how can they know the way,

 

Jesus replied that He is the way to the Father in verse 6:

 

“I am the way and the truth and the life.

 

No one comes to the Father except through me.” 

 

So, this is clearly in the context of salvation

 

and not about being raptured to heaven.

 

So, Jesus by bringing them to the Father

 

doesn’t mean He is going to bring them to heaven

 

at the rapture.

 

What Jesus is driving at

 

is that they don’t have to wait much longer

 

to know the Father.

 

They can know Him right in the here and now

 

because Jesus said in John 14:7,

 

“If you really know me,

 

you will know my Father as well.

 

From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”

 

Jesus wasn’t speaking about bringing us to heaven

 

where there are many mansions to house us.

 

Instead, Jesus was stating that by His death on the cross,

 

He has prepared a place for us to be with the Father

 

in order that we can enjoy

 

a close and abiding relationship with Him.

 

Such a close relationship with both the Father and Jesus,

 

can be enjoyed in the here and now on earth,

 

once Christ has accomplished

 

the work of salvation on the cross for us.

 

Hence, Joseph Prince’s view

 

that John 14:1-3 is about Jesus taking believers to heaven

 

in a rapture to escape tribulation,

 

is out of context and cannot be accepted.

 

 

Part 2: From the Kingdom Perspective

 

Prelude:

 

Heaven isn’t our final home but the new earth is.

 

This may come as a shock to many of you.

 

The church is not going to be whisked away to heaven

 

but she is awaiting a coming King and His Kingdom

 

that is going to come on earth.

 

Jesus did not promise to take us away to his ‘heavenly Kingdom’

 

but he has promised to bring His kingdom here on earth to us!

 

The church is called to await

 

a Return of Christ and His kingdom to earth,

 

not a departure to Christ to heaven.

 

That’s the reason the church is told by Christ to pray

 

“Your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.”

 

Come Lord Jesus, come.

 

In Part 1, we have approached John 14:1-3

 

from the perspective of the work of salvation through the cross

 

that Christ has accomplished for believers.

 

Because of the cross,

 

Christ has brought about an abiding relationship,

 

not just with Him but also with Father God.

 

In Part 2,

 

I am approaching it from the kingdom perspective

 

– that Christ will come back

 

to establish His kingdom on planet earth in His millennial rule. 

 

In a teaching session, Michael Brown said;

 

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to view the 1-minute-15 second video:

 

“John 14:3 has nothing to do

 

with the Pre-tribulation rapture.

 

‘Do not let your heart be troubled.

 

Trust in God, trust also in me.

 

My Father’s house are many dwelling places.

 

If it were not so, I would not have told you.

 

I’m going to prepare a place for you.

 

If I go and prepare a place for you,

 

I will come again and take you to myself

 

so where I am, you may also be.’

 

Are you saying that this only applies

 

for where we’re going to be with Him for 7 years

 

in the tribulation

 

– that’s the place He prepared for us?

 

And He was telling the Apostles,

 

don’t let your hearts be troubled.

 

I have a place prepared for the final generation

 

where they’ll go be with me for 7 years

 

while wrath is poured out on the earth?

 

It has nothing to do with that, whatsoever.

 

Completely unrelated.

 

Unrelated to future tribulation.

 

Unrelated to a 7-year period.

 

This is a place He’s prepared for us

 

where we’ll be with Him forever.     

 

When was that going to happen?

 

Two times.

 

First, we began to get the experience of that

 

when we die and we go to be with Him.

 

He has a place prepared for us even now.

 

But then, after He returns;

 

after His 1,000-year reign on the earth,

 

the New Jerusalem that He has prepared for us

 

will come down and we will be with Him in it forever.”  

 

Joseph Prince teaches that John 14:1-3

 

is pointing to a Pre-tribulation rapture to escape tribulation

 

as Jesus would return and take all believers

 

to His Father’s house in heaven

 

where they would live in heavenly mansions for 7 years:  

 

John 14:1-3 NKJV

1 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

 

John 14:1-3 NIV

1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

 

But one must note

 

that both rapture (or the idea of rapture or the equivalent words of rapture)

 

and heaven

 

are not even mentioned in the text.

 

The text says nothing about a Pre-tribulation rapture

 

or that Jesus’ ministry in heaven is building mansions.

 

Ephesians 1:20 and Romans 8:34

 

affirm that Jesus as our High Priest

 

is now seated at the right hand of the Father’s throne in heaven

 

making intercession for the saints.

 

The Bible never presents Jesus

 

as one who is building literal mansions in the sky for His people!

 

The text doesn’t say He will take us to heaven when He returns

 

but that He will return so that they will be all together again. 

 

The question is where will Jesus be at His return?

 

Acts 1:9-11 state without a shadow of doubt

 

that He will return to earth.

 

Acts 1:9-11

9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

 

The idea in the passage is that,

 

just as he ascended from the earth up into the sky,

 

he would one day come back from the sky down to this earth.

 

He would depart from where He was going

 

and return to where He departed from. 

 

Over and over again, the writers of the New Testament

 

wrote about the literal return of Christ Jesus to earth.

 

That’s the context when Jesus in John 14:3,

 

said, “I will come back.”

 

John 14:1-3 NIV

1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

 

If you stand in front of a child and you say,

 

“I am going away for a while, but I will come back,”

 

what does that child expect?

 

He expects you to literally come back to him!

 

The child is not expecting that he will go to you,

 

but that you will come to him!

 

Similarly, we are not going to Christ to heaven

 

but He is coming back to us to earth.

 

Jesus didn’t say that He was going to come back

 

and take us away to be with Him;

 

but rather,

 

“I will come back and take you to be with me

 

that you also may be where I am.”

 

So where is Jesus when He comes back?

 

Heaven or earth?

 

Earth of course because that’s where He will reign!

 

It would be strange and hardly logical

 

for Jesus to take the Church to heaven

 

and live in the so-called heavenly mansions

 

for only a brief 7 years,

 

only to vacate for a thousand years,

 

in the millennial reign of Christ,

 

in order to rule with Christ on earth. 

 

Now, please consider this logic

 

that Joseph Prince is propounding.

 

Jesus takes us up to heaven

 

to the place He has been preparing

 

for us for the last 2,000 years.

 

And how long do we get to stay there in heaven?

 

Only 7 years.

 

We then have to come back down with Him at His return

 

and reign with him in the millennium for how long?

 

For a hefty 1,000 years on earth.

 

Just think

 

– the place that Jesus has been preparing for us

 

for the last 2,000 years

 

will only be occupied by us for a mere 7 years.

 

Does that even make sense?

 

Prepare for a lengthy 2,000 years;

 

stay there for only 7 years.

 

Then, we will have to vacate

 

our so-called heavenly mansions in the sky

 

and stay on earth for how long?

 

– 1,000 years.

 

Does that sound logical to you?

 

It is clear that Jesus didn’t have in mind

 

constructing heavenly mansions for 2,000 years

 

just so we could stay there for only 7 years.

 

Jesus is simply saying that He is going from earth to heaven

 

and when He comes back from heaven to earth,

 

He will receive or gather us unto Himself

 

and where He is, the saints would be also.

 

Jesus is returning to the earth

 

to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords

 

and that’s where the saints will dwell

 

─ in the earthly millennial kingdom,

 

not in mansions in the sky. 

 

If Jesus is not in heaven preparing mansions,

 

then what is the meaning of the “Father’s house” in John 14:2?

 

John 14:1-3 NIV

1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

 

Joseph Prince has assumed that it refers to heaven.

 

But there is nowhere in the entire scripture

 

that the “Father’s house” refers to heaven.

 

We cannot arbitrarily assign a meaning to this phrase

 

without biblical precedent.

 

There is no precedent in scripture

 

for supposing my “Father’s house” means heaven.

 

But the truth is the “Father’s house” in scripture

 

usually means the earthly temple:

 

Luke 2:46, 48-49 NIV

46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 48 When his parents saw him… Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.” 49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”

 

John 2:14-16 NIV

14 In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”

 

If you read Luke 2:46-49 and John 2:14-16,

 

you will realise that when Jesus mentioned the “Father’s house”,

 

He is referring to the earthly temple.

 

In the same way

 

when Jesus mentioned the “Father’s house” in John 14:2,

 

He is likely to refer to the earthly temple.

 

The many rooms or dwelling places in John 14:2

 

could also be associated with the earthly temple:

 

John 14:1-3 NIV

1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

 

The temple in Jerusalem had many rooms,

 

which served a living quarters for the priests

 

who performed the temple duties.

 

The disciples expected the Kingdom of God

 

to be centered in Jerusalem, specifically in the Temple, (Isa 2:1-5; Ps 68:29).

 

This was the focus of their hope.

 

The Father’s house which refers to the earthly temple

 

is the centre of Jesus’ reign in Jerusalem

 

and the disciples would have the privilege of being with Him.

 

God will set up an eternal kingdom

 

and He will set it up here on planet earth (Psa 2:6-8):

 

Daniel 2:44 NIV

44 In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

 

This kingdom will be in fulfilment of the promise

 

made to King David through the prophet Nathan

 

found in 2 Samuel 7:12-16:

 

2 Samuel 7:12-16 NIV

12 When your days are over and you rest with your ancestors, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, your own flesh and blood, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his father, and he will be my son… 15 But my love will never be taken away from him… 16 Your house and your kingdom will endure forever before me; your throne will be established forever.

 

Luke 1:30-33 NIV

30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. 31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.”

 

The throne of David has and will be established forever.

 

This is the throne in which Jesus, the Son of David,

 

will rule and reign from in Jerusalem

 

right here on planet earth.

 

In a teaching session, Derek Prince said;

 

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to view the 1-minute-15-second video:

 

“Let’s look a little further in this prayer,

 

the rest of verse 10:

 

‘Your kingdom come, your will be done [where?]

 

on earth as it is in heaven.’

 

Where does God want His kingdom to come?

 

To earth, that’s right.

 

See, again I think we’ve often had the attitude

 

that the gospel is a way to get us from earth to heaven.

 

But the truth of the matter is

 

if you study the New Testament,

 

it’s an amazing revelation

 

because God’s purpose

 

is not so much to get us to heaven

 

as to get heaven to earth.

 

The final theme in the end of the Book of Revelation is what?

 

The New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven to earth.

 

See, the amazing thing about the Bible,

 

one of the amazing things

 

is that really the purpose of the gospel

 

is not to get us to heaven,

 

it’s to get heaven to us.

 

The last chapter of the Bible

 

doesn’t have us all going up to heaven.

 

It has the New Jerusalem coming down to earth.

 

And then it says the tabernacle of God is with men.

 

This is something our minds can never fully comprehend.

 

God wants to live with us.”

 

In a teaching session, Derek Prince said;

 

Please click here

 

to view the 1-minute video:

 

“The resurrection is the completion of our redemption.

 

Listen, our destination ultimately is not heaven.

 

It’s wonderful that we will be able to go to heaven

 

but that’s just the stopping off place

 

because while our spirits are in heaven,

 

our bodies will still be mouldering in the grave.

 

That’s not a complete salvation.

 

Jesus died for the whole person.

 

His salvation includes spirit, soul and body.

 

And that salvation is not complete until the resurrection.

 

And Paul was very clear on this.

 

He says in Philippians chapter 3 verse 10 and following:

 

‘If by any means

 

I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.’

 

He wasn’t concern about getting to heaven.

 

His ambition was to attain the resurrection from the dead.

 

Thank God when we die our spirits will go to heaven

 

but that’s not the completion of redemption

 

because our bodies are still unredeemed.

 

Paul sets his sight on the resurrection.”

 

As believers look forward

 

to the return of Christ to planet earth,

 

we need to understand

 

that Jesus will not be taking us back to heaven

 

to spend eternity with Him,

 

but rather we will be ruling and reigning with Him on earth.

 

When a believer dies, he goes to heaven.

 

However, the same believer will be returning with Jesus

 

with their glorified bodies

 

when He returns to planet earth.

 

Jesus sets up His rule and His Kingdom on this planet

 

where He will continue to rule and reign forever and ever.

 

The great misconception is for many believers

 

to think that one day

 

Jesus is going to snatch them off planet earth

 

before the tribulation begins

 

and spend their eternity or 7 years in heaven.

 

What the word of God teaches us is that it is here on this planet

 

that we will rule and reign with Christ for all of eternity.

 

Didn’t Jesus say,

 

“Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth”? (Matt 5:5 NIV)

 

This plainly shows that our final inheritance

 

is not heaven but earth.

 

Didn’t Revelation record,

 

“You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth”? (Rev 5:10 NIV)

 

This clearly indicates that every believer

 

will be here on earth

 

ruling and reigning with Christ.

 

Heaven is not our destiny

 

but ruling on planet earth is.

 

Scripture makes it perfectly clear in Revelation

 

that the glorious city which describes the New Jerusalem

 

that will descend from heaven to earth

 

is the city that each and every believer

 

will dwell in for all eternity:

 

Revelation 21:2-3 NIV

2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

 

Revelation 22:4-5 makes it very clear

 

that we will be reigning with Christ from there forever:

 

Revelation 22:4-5 NIV

4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

 

The glorious truth

 

that is not being fully realised and appreciated

 

by many believers

 

is that the final dwelling place of God

 

is with men on earth.

 

That’s the exact opposite

 

of what most people think will happen at the end.

 

Most people think

 

that we will go to heaven to be with God forever.

 

Actually, the Bible finishes by telling us

 

God is coming to earth to live with us forever.

 

The Father Himself will descend from heaven

 

to make the new earth His dwelling place.

 

God is moving house, not us.

 

We are going to live on a new earth

 

and He is going to live on a new earth with us.

 

Our hope is finally centered on earth,

 

not in heaven.

 

Heaven is only a waiting room.

 

It is not our permanent home.

 

We go there to be with Jesus when we die

 

and we will be back on earth to live and reign with Him

 

because the new earth

 

will be the focus and centre of the new universe.

 

The crux of the second coming of Christ

 

is that Christ is coming back to earth

 

to rule and reign with us

 

and not to take us to heaven

 

because earth is where the action is.

 

That’s what it’s all about.

 

Hence, the teaching of Joseph Prince that John 14:1-3

 

is talking about an escape from tribulation

 

through the Pre-tribulation rapture

 

is misguided and must be repudiated.

 

Rev George Ong

 

Appendix 1

 

John 14:1-3 & Matthew 24:29-31

 

The difficulty that has yet to be overcome by Joseph Prince

 

is how to reconcile John 14:1-3 with Matthew 24.

 

What was spoken by Jesus in Matthew 24 to His disciples

 

was only two days earlier in John 14:1-3,

 

and it was a lengthy discussion

 

of the last days and the second coming.

 

There is no Pre-tribulation coming or rapture in Matthew 24.

 

The only coming of Christ mentioned by Jesus will occur

 

“immediately after the tribulation” (Matt 24:29-31).

 

The disciples’ expectation from the Olivet Discourse

 

in Matthew 24

 

was most certainly that Jesus would come back for them

 

after the tribulation, not before.

 

This is the coming for which Jesus commanded them to watch.

 

Typically, Joseph Prince

 

would try to disqualify the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24

 

from any discussion of the rapture,

 

claiming it is Jewish

 

and does not concern the “Church” (as he defines the term).

 

However, any reasoning Joseph Prince employs

 

to disassociate the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24

 

from the Church

 

must also be applied to the Upper Room Discourse

 

recorded by John, especially in John 13 and 14.

 

Both discourses were delivered to Jesus’ disciples

 

only two days apart;

 

both in the midst of a Jewish setting (here it was the Passover meal).

 

If the disciples “represent”

 

a remnant of Jewish “Tribulation saints”

 

in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24,

 

why not in John 14?

 

Just what in John 14

 

distinguishes the disciples in this discourse

 

from the disciples in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24?

 

Isn’t this a double standard?

 

If we are going to do the word of God justice,

 

these two passages must be reconciled.

 

They cannot be referring to

 

two separate events or people groups

 

since they were both delivered to the disciples

 

in view of their looking for Christ’s coming for them.

 

The disciples could not be expecting

 

to be persecuted by the Antichrist,

 

watch for signs, and be gathered together

 

“immediately after the tribulation,”

 

as the Olivet Discourse in

 

Matthew 24 indicates,

 

and still be expecting a Pre-tribulation rapture

 

based on John 14.

 

Nor could John 14 be simply further revelation,

 

adding a Pre-tribulation rapture to the scenario

 

This is because

 

Jesus described on the Mount of Olives in Matthew 24

 

was just two days earlier in John 14:1-3.

 

If that were so,

 

that would make Jesus to be one of the most fickle

 

and indecisive persons in the world.

 

One moment,

 

Jesus was talking about the Post-tribulation rapture in Matthew 24

 

and then two days later,

 

He turns around

 

and teaches the Pre-tribulation rapture in John 14:1-3.

 

The two ideas are mutually exclusive

 

because one cannot watch for signs

 

of a Post-tribulation coming in Matthew 24

 

when one has been already raptured to heaven in John 14:1-3.

 

If Jesus was teaching them a Pre-tribulation rapture in John 14,

 

He was directly negating everything He had just told them

 

two days earlier in Matthew 24.

 

If Joseph Prince makes the disciples

 

representative of “Israel” in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24,

 

he must do the same in John 14,

 

or he is using a double (false) standard.

 

If the disciples represent the Church in John 14,

 

they must also in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24.

 

Consistency and integrity in Biblical interpretation

 

demands no less.

 

Appendix 2

 

Featured YouTube comments: 

 

@ronpinngapinnga

 

“Listening to David Pawson and Michael Brown in this video

 

shows the enormous difference in quality

 

between their sermons and Joseph Prince’s “sermons”.

 

You can feel it.

 

There is that accompanying sense of enlightenment

 

that opens up the mind.

 

Joseph Prince’s ”sermons’ are rather hollow and shallow,

 

leaving you with that confused, empty feeling.”

 

@WordsofGodThe

 

“Joseph Prince says,

 

“The rapture is a good news ..

 

Every man will become a Mr. Universe

 

and every woman will be Miss. Universe ..

 

what is a man and what is a woman? 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNmhPpJw68U&t=744s

 

I am not surprised that Joseph Prince may even say

 

that every man will become a He-Man

 

and every woman will be a Wonder Woman too.

 

However, will this kind of body (even with supernatural strength)

 

add any spiritual value to our next destiny or life?

 

No.

 

Just imagine if you are driving

 

a cheap locally manufactured car for now.

 

If you are raptured, will you get a BMW after the rapture?

 

Even if you get the most powerful, the most luxurious,

 

or the fastest sports car in the world,

 

it is meaningless and useless in the kingdom of God.

 

It is because you will no longer need such a vehicle for transport.

 

Neither do you need a strong, muscular, or good-looking body

 

to impress the women or to live healthily.

 

Obviously, Joseph Prince’s mentality

 

is still stuck in his own world

 

for the things that he is enjoying the most now.

 

For example, he is still thinking of his luxurious holidays

 

or his favourite expensive car

 

even when he is preaching.

 

That’s why he preaches several times

 

that he is aspiring that one day

 

he will be driving the fastest luxurious cars in heaven;

 

not just his BMW now.

 

Well, I have to agree

 

that for a ‘high income earner’ like him,

 

BMW is still a cheap car.

 

So, I am not surprised

 

that he is yearning for a ‘perfect’ body that looks good too!”

 

@user-vo3iy4ur6d

 

“Again, this good-looking thing

 

like Mr. Universe and Ms Wonder Woman

 

is tickling the ears of his audience.

 

But it is completely unscriptural.

 

It just belies his dusty earthiness and worldliness

 

which is demonic.

 

When we see Him, we will be like Him.

 

Don’t think the exalted Jesus

 

looks like a Mr. Universe or Miss world.

 

We will be in sinless perfection and obedience,

 

pure and holy, like Christ in His character (ref Romans)”

 

@lindsaylim5806

 

“When we are in God’s presence, 

 

who cares about how we look or how others look?

 

All true believers will be captivated by Christ Himself. 

 

We just want to worship Him

 

and listen to what He has to say.

 

Joseph Prince only focuses on worldly concerns

 

which is not biblical.

 

1 John 2:15-17 ESV

[15] Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. [16] For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world. [17] And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

 

Note that after this passage,

 

John warns about the anti-Christ. 

 

1 John 2:18-27 ESV

[18] Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. [19] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. [20] But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all have knowledge. [21] I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth. [22] Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. [23] No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. [24] Let what you heard from the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father. [25] And this is the promise that he made to us—eternal life. [26] I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. [27] But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him.

 

@hummit

 

“Jesus said to Nicodemus that he needs to be born again

 

in order to see the kingdom of heaven.

 

Being born again means turning away from our sins,

 

away from the lust of the flesh,

 

lust of the eyes and the pride of life.

 

Repentance is key to being born again.”

 

@michealcheng6021

 

“Many do not know that True Repentance

 

is a great gift from God Almighty. 

 

God’s Love, Peace and Wisdom awaits the Truly Humble. 

 

Only the proud does not surrender, submit

 

or fear the Lord.”

 

@user-vo3iy4ur6d

 

“What is this occupy with Christ thing?

 

What verse?

 

Occupy is so vague and fuzzy,

 

means anything to anybody…

 

Which Christ?

 

Bible Christ or Joseph Prince’s Christ

 

which he stitched and reconstructed

 

from verses here and there.

 

To me, it is a golden calf Christ,

 

a mixture of truths and worldliness/paganism

 

like what Aaron built and said to the people…

 

Does occupy with Christ mean to his people

 

listening day and night to his CDS or videos

 

and his media materials about his “Christ”.

 

Bible is clear and practical, not vague and fuzzy,

 

eg. it is no longer I that liveth….

 

My sheep hear my voice and they follow me,

 

deny yourself, take up the cross and follow me,

 

keep yourself from idols,

 

if you love me keep my commandments,

 

abide in me and bear much fruit vs occupy with “Christ”

 

that sounds nice and mesmerising and Christ centred

 

but actually is quite hollow and dizzy.”

 

@ronpinngapinnga

 

“@user-vo3iy4ur6d. Yes, Joseph Prince said that.

 

He is preaching nonsense.

 

The Sermon on the Mount

 

contains the core of Jesus’ moral and ethical teaching.

 

For eg, it says, ‘Blessed are the poor in spirit.’

 

Poor in spirit means having a humble opinion of ourselves;

 

to know we are sinners

 

and have no righteousness of our own;

 

to be willing to be saved

 

only by the grace and mercy of God;

 

to be willing to be where God places us; 

 

to be willing to be in his hands

 

and to feel we deserve no favour from him.

 

It’s opposed to pride, vanity and ambition. (Albert Barnes)

 

Joseph Prince has bent the Word

 

to serve his own purpose.”

 

@lindsaylim5806

 

“Misusing Christ’s name

 

to preach/teach a different Christ and different gospel.

 

Joseph Prince still has the audacity to say

 

what is not needed to obey in the Bible.

 

His followers are not thinking!

 

If don’t want to obey all the Bible,

 

don’t call themselves Christians.

 

The saddest part

 

is the National Council of Churches of Singapore

 

is not speaking up against Joseph Prince’s teachings

 

in New Creation Church.

 

The souls of those in New Creation Church

 

are not important to them??”

 

@8studio

 

“As you can see, Joseph Prince

 

is preaching his old “sermons” again.

 

The “Mr and Miss Universe thing”,

 

has been peached by him at least 10 years ago.

 

When one cherry picks, one would run out of cherries.

 

We can only pray for him to repent

 

before God’s wrath is released.

 

God is not slow to act, but He is full of mercy.

 

Let’s continue to pray.”

 

@lindsaylim5806

 

“Yes, old examples Mr Universe and Miss Universe.

 

I heard this before when I was still in New Creation Church.

 

I left in 2011.”

 

@user-qi8rv4ez7u

 

“Talking of Joseph Prince’s healing teaching;

 

have never seen Joseph Prince coming down from pulpit

 

to lay hands on the visibly sick congregants

 

(not those knee pain, neck pain cases).

 

He could have done so, showing concern and compassion.

 

It could be a golden opportunity for him

 

to show his healing claims.

 

Or, he could have the volunteers

 

to bring them up on stage.

 

Others like Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland

 

lay hands on the sick or came close to the sick

 

to administer healing.

 

Those wheel-chair bound could be seen

 

to get up instantly and walk. 

 

Joseph Prince should follow their example.”

 

@vijayrem-mn6id

 

“David Pawson a superlative Bible teacher.

 

He believes every teacher has a responsibility

 

to expose error.

 

If you have heard all those prosperity and celebrity preachers,

 

you have heard Joseph Prince.

 

If you have heard Joseph Prince,

 

you have heard all those prosperity and celebrity preachers.”

 

@thomastan9965

 

“False teacher and charlatan, this Joseph Prince.”

 

@binoyu5164

 

“If you read the scripture,

 

you will know, Joseph Prince is a false prophet!”

 

@WordsofGodThe

 

“Joseph Prince says,

 

“I still believe that the gospel is the answer..

 

The problem is .. 

 

.. Even when bad things happen,

 

God wants His people to be occupied with Christ..

 

occupied with the positive..

 

occupied with His glory, His beauty, His excellency .. ”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNmhPpJw68U&t=202s

 

I will ask Joseph Prince,

 

do you know why the gospel is the answer?

 

It’s because there is A PROBLEM.

 

What is the problem?

 

The problem is not because we are not positive

 

or we are not occupied with the positive,

 

not occupied with His glory, His beauty, or His excellency ..

 

Of course, we should not be occupied with the negative or bad thing;

 

however, the problem is not because of this!

 

So, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

 

I know you won’t like to know it or hear it

 

because we have been telling you

 

that THAT IS THE PROBLEM;

 

but you simply close both of your ears

 

and harden your heart.

 

We have been telling you from the Bible

 

that THE PROBLEM is SIN!

 

However, you just keep saying that it is the law;

 

it is self-effort; it is wrong belief; it is anxiety, poverty,

 

depression, sickness, fear, condemnation,

 

negative thoughts .. and etc.

 

Yes, as long as we are still living in this world,

 

we must deal with these problems;

 

however, the ROOT PROBLEM of these problems is SIN.

 

I will ask Joseph Prince,

 

do you know why the gospel is the answer?

 

It is the answer

 

because it deals with the ROOT PROBLEM which is SIN.

 

Obviously, Jesus and the Bible have made it clear

 

that to deal with the root problem of sins,

 

we must repent (from sin)

 

and believe the gospel (and words) of Jesus Christ.

 

We simply listen and obey the preaching of the Lord

 

and repent from the root problem of sins;

 

not law, not self-effort, not wrong belief, not anxiety,

 

not poverty … and etc (which could be caused by sins).

 

So, don’t you find it strange

 

when you say that you know the answer;

 

but you purposely do not preach the answer?

 

Obviously, as a preacher of 20 over years,

 

Joseph Prince has no excuse to say

 

that he does not know that the gospel is the answer

 

because the Bible tells us very clearly that:

 

1. Repentance is one of the ways we must do to deal with our sins.

 

After repentance, we still need to take up our cross daily

 

to combat against the old flesh

 

which is still sinful and seeking to influence us.

 

Sanctification is also one of the ways we cannot ignore

 

to keep our life free from the influence of sins.

 

2. The blood of Jesus is, of course,

 

God’s way to deal with our sins.

 

It is freely given by grace and yet it is precious,

 

and we must accept it

 

with humility, reverence, and repentance.

 

However, what if we received it

 

without repentance or reverence?

 

We might be behaving like the UNREPENTANT Pharisees

 

who made God’s words or God’s way of none effect:

 

Mark 7:12-13 KJV 

And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; (13) Making the WORD OF GOD of NONE EFFECT through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

 

Heb 6:4-6 KJV 

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, (5) And have tasted the good WORD OF GOD, and the powers of the world to come, (6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto REPENTANCE; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

 

Heb 10:26-29 KJV 

For if we SIN WILFULLY after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, (27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (28) He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: (29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted THE BLOOD of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

 

Do you notice how important it is for us

 

to preach REPENTANCE and the BLOOD OF JESUS?

 

If either one is missing, it will make the other of none effect.

 

If the word of Jesus has been telling us to repent

 

or to preach repentance

 

and we still refuse to preach it or do it,

 

what do you think Jesus will say to us?

 

What’s the point if we keep saying that we love Jesus,

 

we always focus on Jesus, and we preach Jesus,

 

we confess Jesus as Lord;

 

but we can’t even preach or do what He said?

 

I will ask Joseph Prince,

 

Jesus has said clearly that “Repent and Believe”

 

is the answer or the gospel and we must preach it,

 

why do you preach some other things?

 

Mark 1:14-15 KJV 

Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the GOSPEL of the kingdom of God, (15) And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: REPENT ye, and believe the GOSPEL .

 

Luke 24:45-48 KJV  Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, (46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: (47) And that REPENTANCE and remission of SINS should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (48) And ye are witnesses of these things.

 

Note this comment is a critique of my website:

 

@janetung190

 

“Preach it, Pastor Prince!!!”

 

These are the comments of those

 

who wrote against the above critic:

 

@davidching7803

 

“Joseph Prince is not a Pastor but a Pretender of someone

 

who is God-anointed and knows the Bible,

 

but the reality is that

 

he’s not biblically trained and qualified to preach.

 

He’s not preaching the Bible but distorting the Bible.

 

Whoever supports and follows

 

this sort of distorted preaching will end up in Hell,

 

with or without Jesus’ blood.

 

It’s clearly written in the Bible.

 

If you want to join Joseph Prince to enter Hell after death,

 

please continue to support the Pretender.”

 

@user-qi8rv4ez7u

 

“Fren, think for yourself.

 

Don’t just hear others who say preach it, Joseph Prince,

 

and you follow them.

 

Check what Joseph Prince says against the Bible

 

and other helpful biblical resources.

 

Do your homework

 

and you will come home from Josop Prison.”

 

@joyceliew4352

 

“Rejecting Jesus Christ means worshipping men,

 

means regards men much greater and higher than God (is a beast system)

 

Ephesians 1:16

..remembering you in our prayers.

[17] [I always pray] that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may grant you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation [that gives you a deep and personal and intimate insight] into the true knowledge of Him [for we know the Father through the Son].”

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