Title: If Joel Osteen is proven to be a heretic, his mentee, Joseph Prince, is guaranteed to be one too – by Rev George Ong (Dated 5 Sep 2023)
Co-title: Joseph Prince & Joel Osteen: Birds of the same heretical feather flock together – By Rev George Ong
If you wish to know whether
Joseph Prince takes any supplements or pills,
please refer to the Appendix at the end of the article
on my website.
In 2 sermons preached at Joel Osteen’s church, Joseph Prince said;
“But the most striking similarity between us both
is that we are both darn good-looking.
At least, we think so.”
“And from one good-looking pastor to another. Amen.”
If you want more info
about these two so-called good-looking Pastors,
please go to the Appendix at the end of the article
on my website.
Don’t miss one video each
on John MacArthur & Derek Prince,
who spoke against Mormonism
– that Joel Osteen said a Mormon, Governor Romney,
a Republican Nominee for President,
is a Christian.
Victoria (wife of Joel Osteen) said:
“We aren’t doing it for God…
We’re doing it for ourselves…
When you come to church,
when you worship Him,
you’re not doing it for God really,
you’re doing it for yourself
because that’s what makes God happy.”
Such a humanistic, self-centred and appalling comment
can never come from a Bible-believing Christian.
Yet, it was the wife of Joel Osteen who uttered it.
(This article was also sent to Rev Dr Ngoei Foong Nghian, General Secretary, National Council of Churches of Singapore (NCCS) office, and for the attention of the Executive Committee Members.)
When Joseph Prince preached at Joel Osteen’s Lakewood Church, he said;
Please click here to view the 50-second video:
“You know it’s a real honour and privilege for me to be here.
I don’t say that lightly
because I know there is no lack
of great ministers of the word in America.
So, for Joel (Osteen) and Victoria (wife of Joel)
to invite me is no small thing to me.
I honour that.
I take the sense of humility and responsibility.
I’ll make sure I do good.
You know, Joel and I, we share a lot of similarities.
We have ministries of grace and hope.
We have beautiful wives…
But the most striking similarity between us both
is that we are both darn good-looking.
At least, we think so.”
On another occasion,
when Joseph Prince preached at Joel Osteen’s church, he said;
Please click here to view the 1-and-a-half-minute video:
“Every time, I come here;
you know, I was saying this in the first service,
I feel like I’m coming home.
And I really mean it.
I don’t just say that everywhere I go. I don’t.
But here, every time I come here,
I feel like I’m coming home.
And especially because of the Osteen family.
As a young Pastor, I was looking for a role model,
Someone that I can learn from that can mentor me.
So, even though I’ve never met him personally,
I tune in on the internet to Pastor John (Joel) Osteen.
So, I must say that he’s the Pastor that mentored me.
And I never knew that even Joel Osteen existed at that time.
But I learned so much from this Pastor…
So, I’ve learnt, you see (Osteen picture).
That’s why I get invited back. Hallelujah…
If you were to ask the question,
and in fact, I have had this question asked of me,
‘Pastor Prince, who do you listen to?’
And this is the honest truth.
I listen to Joel Osteen.
Even sometimes,
when I can’t sleep in the middle of the night, you know,
I just put on my MP3
and I listened to Joel Osteen preached.
Amen, especially on audio book.
It’s just inspiring. It lifts you up…
Thank you, Joel, for having me.
And from one good-looking pastor to another. Amen.”
Many are aware that Joseph Prince and Joel Osteen,
are good friends.
Joseph Prince has publicly spoken highly
of the character and ministry of Joel Osteen.
Prince said that he listened to Joel Osteen’s sermons often
and are very ministered to by them.
Joseph Prince even said that
Joel Osteen is his role model
and the one who mentored him.
Yet, if one is aware of the doctrinal views of Joel Osteen,
he is clearly a heretic.
If Joel Osteen is a heretic,
why would Joseph Prince associate with him
and his ministries so closely
unless he is also another heretic?
The fact is when Joseph Prince said:
“You know, Joel and I, we share a lot of similarities.
We have ministries of grace and hope,”
they are both preaching the false gospel of grace and hope.
While most of you are aware
of the heretical teachings of Joseph Prince,
what about Joel Osteen, Joseph Prince’s mentor?
In this article, I am highlighting Joel Osteen’s views
on three issues:
The Gay Issue
Is Mormonism the same as Christianity, and can Mormons be said to be believers of Christ?
Whether people who don’t accept Jesus, such as the Jews and Atheists, could still have saving faith.
From his views of the 3 issues
that can be gleaned in the following 5 videos,
we can categorically conclude that Joel Osteen is a heretic.
First Video:
Please click here to view the one-minute video:
Interviewer:
“What do you think of the Gay marriage debate?
Could you ever mention attending a Gay marriage
between 2 people who come to your church,
for example, they invited you.
So, would you accept one or not?”
Victoria (wife of Joel Osteen):
“Would I accept one?”
Interviewer:
“Two Gay people who attend your church,
invite you to their wedding.”
Victoria:
“Sure, I would go.”
Interviewer:
“You would (talking to Victoria).”
Interviewer:
“Would you go? (asking Joel Osteen)”
Joel Osteen:
“If they were friends of mine,
and I respect them,
I would certainly go.”
Interviewer:
“You watch 2 people you think who are sinners,
committing the ultimate sin.”
Joel Osteen:
“Well, I don’t think it’s the ultimate sin.
But I’m looking at it from another point of view
of respect to that person.
And you know, it gets convoluted.
But I’m looking at it as respect to that person.”
Interviewer:
“Could you in your position
actually, actively encourage people
to go through a same-sex marriage,
cause you’d been seen to do,
cause you’d be photographed in such an event.
Would that not cause you problems?”
Joel Osteen:
“Well, you know it’s such a hypothetical…”
Interviewer:
“Not really because you say
lots of Gay people who go to your church.
So, it might happen.”
Joel Osteen:
“But I’m talking about somebody that was, you know, dear to us.
I’m not going to disrespect somebody that’s dear to us,
and say, you know what,
you’re not good enough for us or something like that.
That’s the way I would see it.”
George Ong’s comments:
When asked whether he would attend a Gay marriage
between two people from his church,
Joel Osteen said he would
because he respects them.
By attending a Gay marriage,
Joel Osteen would rather respect the person/s
and disrespect God
as that would clearly be dishonouring to God.
More so, he is the Pastor of the church.
What signal is he sending to the Church and the world
by attending a Gay marriage?
Osteen simply cannot fool us
by resorting to the flimsy argument of respect.
If Joel Osteen is a true friend and a responsible shepherd,
he would have counselled the Gay couple
and lovingly warned them
to repent from such sinful behaviour.
But similar to Joseph Prince,
getting his church members
to repent from sinful behaviours
is not in his theology or practice.
For Joseph Prince,
there are no more sins to confess or repent from
as all sins are forgiven.
So, it isn’t difficult to see that
many ‘carnal’ believers (goats, not sheep)
would love to attend his church (and Joseph Prince’s New Creation Church, too)
as Joel Osteen would not confront them over such sinful behaviour.
No wonder his church has grown to be the largest in America.
Do you see the similarities between the way Joel Osteen
and Joseph Prince operate and run their churches?
Joseph Prince, too, will not confront his members
to repent of their sins, as according to him,
all sins, past, present and future have been forgiven.
And it is no coincidence
that just as Joel Osteen’s church is the biggest in America,
Joseph Prince’s church is the biggest in Singapore.
Imagine the biggest churches in America and Singapore
are helmed by wolves in sheepskin!
Aren’t you alarmed by such a development?
Second Video.
Please click here to view the 45-second video:
Interviewer:
(Note the Interviewer is quoting from Joel Osteen’s book
when he asked him the question.)
“You would say here also in the spirit of inclusiveness,
it doesn’t matter who likes you or who doesn’t like you. (I like that.)
All it matters is God likes you.
He accepts you. He approves of you.
Is that true for homosexuals?”
Joel Osteen:
“Absolutely.
I believe that God breathe this life into every single person.
We’re all on a journey. Nobody is perfect.
You know the Bible says that sin is pride, sin is…
I mean, we tend to pick out these certain things,
but I believe every person is made in the image of God.
You know, and you got to accept them as they are
as they’re on their journey.
Again, the scripture teaches the way people are going to know His disciples
is by our love for one another.
So, I’m not here preaching hate, pushing people down,
I’m not here to tell them about what you’re doing wrong.”
George Ong’s comments:
Joel Osteen makes a deceptive jump in logic
– that just because God approves of people who are to be loved,
He must also approve of their sinful homosexual behaviour.
That if we accept or approve them as persons,
we must also accept or approve of their sinful homosexual behaviour.
Joel Osteen didn’t even say anything
about bringing them to repentance
regarding their sinful homosexual behaviour.
His only concern is
– we’ve got to accept them as they are
– and even their sinful behaviour.
When Joel Osteen said,
“Again, the scripture teaches the way people going to know his disciples
is by our love for one another,”
he is implying that all believers must do
is just to love these homosexuals
without making any effort
to lovingly confront them of their sins.
Jesus certainly loves sinners
but He is also known as one who does not flinch
from confronting them of their sins.
When Joel Osteen said,
“And so, I’m not here preaching hate,
pushing people down,”
he is basically using the straw man argument
that his mentee, Joseph Prince, frequently uses too (on other issues).
He is implying that just because someone is loving enough
to confront his friends about their homosexual sins,
he is preaching hate and pushing people down.
In one of his other videos (not among those that I have featured in this article),
Joel Osteen said,
“I’m not one of those that are out there
to bash homosexual people
and tell them they are terrible people and all that.”
His straw man argument in action again
– just like Joseph Prince frequently does on other issues.
Who is bashing the homosexuals?
Will a true Christian bash them?
Every true Christian would love them as much as we could.
Joel Osteen said in another of his videos (not among those that I have featured in this article),
“Oh, we must not condemn them.”
Who is condemning them?
We are only disapproving of their homosexual behaviour
but we should relate to them as persons worthy of our respect.
Joel Osteen said in yet another of his videos (not among those that I have featured in this article),
“We have to love them.”
Who does not love them?
Let me be very clear.
Every believer should reach out to homosexuals in love.
There is absolutely no place for any true Christian
to bash them, condemn them,
and to preach hate against them.
But that doesn’t mean we approve of their behaviour
because it is clearly stated in the scriptures
that homosexuality is a sin.
If we truly love them,
we must not only seek to accept them as persons,
but we must also get them
to see that homosexuality is dishonouring to God
which would result in their eternal judgement.
What Joel Osteen does
by not even pointing out their sins
is not borne out of true love.
He himself has said in the last part of this video,
“I’m not here to tell them
about what you’re doing wrong.”
There you have it – this simply means as a pastor,
he will never tell or confront anyone in his church
even though that person is involved in sinful behaviour
such as homosexuality.
With such an attitude,
he is not even fulfilling his basic responsibility as a pastor.
Third video.
Please click here to view the 40-second video:
Interviewer:
“In South Carolina, they are gonna have a vote
for the Republican nominee for President.
The leading candidate is a Mormon, Governor Romney.
Tell me how you see Mormonism, his religion,
and how you define it within the Christian community?”
Joel Osteen:
“Well, you know, what I see about Governor Romney
is that he says I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
He’s raised from the dead; He’s my Saviour.
I see him as being a believer in Christ like me.”
Interviewer:
“That’s enough for you?”
Joel Osteen:
“Ya, that’s enough for me.
I mean, there’s differences in all religions.
I realise Mormonism is different from Christianity.
But you know what, he’s a man of faith and values
and to me, that’s strong.”
George Ong’s comments:
There are many doctrinal issues about Mormonism
that rules itself out of mainstream Christianity.
Just to name a few.
First, Mormonism “also believes
that there are other gods and goddesses,
outside the Godhead,
such as a Heavenly Mother
– who is the wife of God the Father.”
Second, faithful Mormons
“may attain godhood in the afterlife.”
Third, Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism
“taught that God was once a man on another planet
before being exalted to Godhood.”
Fourth, Mormons “believe that their Church
is the only true and living church
because divine authority was restored to it
through Joseph Smith,” their founder.
Fifth, the Mormons view that the Bible is corrupt
and cannot be trusted as it is not always right,
and you have to consult them for the correct interpretation.
Can you see how grossly different
is Mormonism from Christianity?
That being the case,
how can Joel Osteen say that Mormons
such as Governor Romney,
has the same saving faith the way Christians are saved?
Anyone who says that Mormons are saved
despite their doctrinal aberrations
that is totally at odds with Christianity,
must be a heretic.
When Joel Osteen said:
“I mean, there’s differences in all religions.
I realise Mormonism is different from Christianity,”
he is literally saying that Mormonism (as with other religions)
is a different religion from Christianity.
And yet, he said that the Governor Romney,
who holds to Mormonism, which is another religion,
is a believer in Christ.
Joel Osteen is effectively promoting Universalism,
(he won’t, of course, admit it)
that all religions lead to the God of the Bible.
In a sermon, John MacArthur said;
Please click here to view the 40-second video:
“One of the more prominent ones, currently, is Mormonism,
which is making all-out effort
to be accepted as a form of Christianity.
You need to understand this;
nothing is more explicitly pagan than Mormonism.
Christianity has one God; the Mormons have millions.
That should be enough.
They believe in millions of gods.
They believe they become gods.
They believe some God created the God who created the world.
And the God who created the world
had some kind of spiritual sex with the mother God,
and produce Jesus.”
In a sermon, Derek Prince said;
Pleas click here to view the 40-second video:
“Now, we need to be very careful
because there’s a kind of teaching which I won’t name,
but many of you would know the name of it,
which is very fashionable today,
which teaches that if you go on long enough
and do the right things, you can become a god.
But anyhow the New age… teaches that if you go on long enough,
and incidentally, the Mormons teach the same.
They don’t say it publicly at first, but it’s there;
that you can become a god.
I want to tell you, that is obviously false.
And I’ll tell you one basic reason.
God is uncreated, we are created.
And the created can never become uncreated.
It’s a deception.”
Fourth video.
Please click here to view the 1-minute video:
Interviewer (Larry King):
“Only if you believe in Christ, you are going to heaven,
if you don’t, no matter what you’ve done in your life,
you ain’t.
What if you are Jewish
and you don’t accept Christ at all.”
Joel Osteen:
“You know, I just, I’m very careful
about saying who would and who wouldn’t go to heaven.
I don’t know. I think only God.”
Interviewer (Larry King):
“If you believe you have to believe in Christ,
they’re wrong, aren’t they?”
Joel Osteen:
“Well, I don’t know
if I believe they’re wrong.
I believe here’s what the Bible teaches,
from the Christian faith, this is what I believe.
But I just think that only God can judge a person’s heart.
I spent a lot of time in India with my father, and you know
I don’t know all about their religion,
but I know they love God.
And I don’t know, I had to, you know,
I’ve seen their sincerity,
so I don’t know, I just,
I know for me and what the Bible teaches,
I want to have a relationship with Jesus.
I’m just going to (let) God be the judge there.
I don’t know.
I don’t know.”
Interviewer (Larry King):
“So, you make no judgment on anyone.”
Joel Osteen:
“No.”
Interviewer (Larry King):
“What about Atheists?”
Joel Osteen:
“I’ll just, you know what;
I’ll let God be the judge
on who goes to heaven and hell.”
George Ong’s comments:
To the question posed by Larry King:
“Only if you believe in Christ, you are going to heaven,
if you don’t, no matter what you’ve done in your life,
you ain’t.
What if you are Jewish
and you don’t accept Christ at all,”
how could Joel Osteen say he doesn’t know?
Joel Osteen has uttered the phrase, “I don’t know,” 6 times,
when any Bible-believing Pastor would have no difficulty
in giving straight and unambiguous answers
to Larry King’s questions.
Regarding the question of whether the Atheists
would end up in heaven or hell,
why would Joel Osteen choose to evade
and refuse to answer the question directly?
How can the Pastor of the biggest church in America
not be able to answer such simple doctrinal questions?
Doesn’t Joel Osteen know John 14:6:
6 Jesus answered,
“I am the way and the truth and the life.
No one comes to the Father except through me.
Isn’t Joel Osteen familiar with John 3:18:
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
but whoever does not believe
stands condemned already
because they have not believed
in the name of God’s one and only Son.
Hasn’t Joel Osteen forgotten John 3:36:
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,
but whoever rejects the Son will not see life,
for God’s wrath remains on them.
The simple answer to all that
is that Joel Osteen is a Universalist,
who believes that all religions lead to the same God.
If not, why does Joel Osteen say:
“But I just think that only God can judge a person’s heart.
I spent a lot of time in India with my father, and you know
I don’t know all about their religion,
but I know they love God.
And I don’t know, I had to, you know,
I’ve seen their sincerity,
so I don’t know, I just…”
Joel Osteen is clearly hinting
that the other religions lead to the same God
as long as people love God (other gods)
and are sincere about it.
Fifth video.
Please click here to view the 3-minute video:
Joel Osteen:
“I am blessed. I am strong. I am talented. I am disciplined.
I am focussed. I am prosperous.”
John MacArthur:
“This notion that you have so much goodness in yourself,
that you can, literally speak your desires out,
and God somehow jumps out of a little Genie lamp
and gives you everything that you desire
because you are such a noble person,
created to be a winner and a champion
is a lie right out of hell.”
Joel Osteen:
“I am fearfully and wonderfully made.
I am attractive. I am getting younger.”
John MacArthur:
“Michael Horton, ‘Christless Christianity,’ Page 68
said Osteen has achieved the dubious success
of making ‘the name it and claim it’ teaching
of Kenneth Copeland and Benny Hinn mainstream.”
Joel Osteen:
“I am blessed. I am prosperous. I am free. I am talented.
I am young. I am beautiful. I am attractive.”
John MacArthur:
“In the book ‘Your Best Life Now’, Osteen says
‘God wants this to be the best time of your life.
Happy, successful, fulfilled.
Individuals have learned how to live their best life now.
As you put the principles found in these pages to work,
today, you will begin living your best life now.’”
Joel Osteen:
“I’ve been equipped, empowered,
anointed by the creator of the universe.”
Victoria (wife of Joel Osteen):
“I just want to encourage everyone of us
to realise we will obey God.
We aren’t doing it for God.
I mean that’s one way to look at it.
We’re doing it for ourselves
because God takes pleasure when we’re happy.
That’s the thing that gives Him the greatest joy this morning.
So, I want you to know this morning,
just do good for your own self.
Do good cause God wants you to be happy.
When you come to church, when you worship Him,
you’re not doing it for God really,
you’re doing it for yourself
because that’s what makes God happy. Amen.
Let’s open our hearts to Him today.”
John MacArthur:
“Why are these people so successful?
Because Satan is behind the enterprise
and he is appealing to that
which is the natural desire of the unregenerate heart.
Everything the unconverted sinner wants
is what these people are offering in the name of Jesus Christ.
This is a false Christianity from hell.
Of all Satan’s temptations
are driven at fallen corruption, selfishness, pride, indulgence.”
John MacArthur:
“Well, at this point, I think we’ve heard enough
to recognise the real source of his religion.
You’re having trouble with that?
He’s a mouthpiece for Satan.
He’s an agent for Satan.
How do I know what?
Because he offers all the things
that the unregenerate heart already wants.”
George Ong’s comments:
Let me quote what
Victoria (wife of Joel Osteen) said:
“We aren’t doing it for God…
We’re doing it for ourselves…
When you come to church,
when you worship Him,
you’re not doing it for God really,
you’re doing it for yourself
because that’s what makes God happy.”
Such a humanistic, self-centred and appalling comment
can never come from a Bible-believing Christian.
Yet, it was the wife of Joel Osteen who uttered it.
Let me quote what John MacArthur said
about Joel Osteen and Victoria:
“Why are these people so successful?
Because Satan is behind the enterprise…”
“This is a false Christianity from hell.”
“He’s a mouthpiece for Satan.
He’s an agent for Satan.”
Just as John MacArthur said that it is Satan,
who is behind the success of Joel Osteen,
the same goes for his mentee, Joseph Prince.
Just think – when Joseph Prince has been preaching stark heresies,
how is he able to deceive the millions (including university professors),
not just in Singapore but from around the world?
How is Joseph Prince able to hoodwink people (including well-educated people) with such bizarre doctrine,
that if one takes the Holy Communion
as frequently as 3 times a day as he takes medicine,
he/she will not only be healthy
but will also retain his/her youthful and good looks?
How is Joseph Prince able to deceive the multitudes
with such outrageous doctrine,
that if one just speaks out what one believes,
God will grant him the desire
to live to any age he wants
(and in Joseph Prince’s case, to 120),
and to his satisfaction?
It must be the devil
who has given Joseph Prince the power to do it.
In summary, from the above 5 videos:
First, Joel Osteen would attend a Gay marriage of his friends
as he would rather respect his friends than God.
Second, Joel Osteen has clearly stated that Mormonism,
which is doctrinally unacceptable to Christianity,
is one of the paths to saving faith in Christ,
and Mormons are considered by him to be Christians.
Third, Joel Osteen has refused to clearly state
that those who do not believe in Christ
such as Atheists and Jews,
do not possess saving faith
– when this is so clearly stated in the scriptures.
Last, Joel Osteen also clearly hinted
that believers of other religions
can lead to the same Christian God
as long as they love ‘God’ and are sincere.
From the way that Joel Osteen had responded,
he is clearly a heretic.
If Joel Osteen is a heretic,
how could Joseph Prince
who considers Joel Osteen
to be his role model and mentor,
be any different?
If Joel Osteen is a heretic,
why did Joseph Prince speak so highly
of Joel Osteen and his ministry?
It blows my mind that despite such heretical views
that Joel Osteen holds to,
Joseph Prince has chosen to endorse him
and participate in his ministry
by being interviewed with him on television
and speaking at his church.
How could Joseph Prince speak highly of Joel Osteen publicly
when Osteen has clearly implied
that those who don’t accept Jesus
might have a chance of making it to heaven?
This is not a minor issue of our faith
but a core issue of Christianity and the gospel.
If Joseph Prince claims to preach the true gospel,
why is he associating with Joel Osteen
whose views represent the false gospel?
As such, Joseph Prince cannot blame people
from entertaining the idea
that for both of them (Joel Osteen and Joseph Prince),
‘birds of the same heretical feather
flock together’.
Rev George Ong
Appendix
Joseph Prince said;
“But the most striking similarity between us both
is that we are both darn good-looking.
At least, we think so.”
“And from one good-looking pastor to another. Amen.”
I better not comment on Joseph Prince’s remarks
about his so-called good looks, which he prides himself in public
lest, he again accuses me of being jealous of him.
But what do you think of a so-called Pastor,
who says of himself
as being darn good-looking twice in public?
Some of you may say,
“Well, if it is a fact, there’s nothing wrong for a speaker
to be frank about it, even in public.”
Others may say,
“Why so vain and so Hiow? (Hokkien)
Yet others, who are more forthright, may say,
like a Singapore Politician did,
“Siah Sway Ah!” (Embarrassing or Disgraceful)
Well, you are entitled to your own opinions.
I have heard Joseph Prince
talked about his good and youthful looks several times;
sometimes directly, and at other times, indirectly
in his sermons.
And many have wondered
whether his good and youthful looks
have anything to do
with a regular intake of supplements or pills?
Yes, Joseph Prince himself admitted
that he takes supplements or pills every day.
(but as to what these supplements or pills are taken for,
I don’t know. Perhaps, Prince can clarify.)
In a sermon, Joseph Prince said;
“But I’m telling you God’s way is the best
because we have examples in the Bible of people
who didn’t take supplements.
I’m just talking about people who don’t take, right,
and they were strong.
Now I do take.
Every day, I do take.
I do.
I let you know first.”
Since Joseph Prince is a ‘public figure’,
the public would be keen to know
what sort of supplements does Joseph Prince take?
Are these supplements or pills
taken to make him healthy and strong
(Joseph Prince’s Health & Wealth Gospel)?
Or are these to slow down his aging process
to make him look younger and better looking
(Joseph Prince’s Health & Wealth Gospel).
Whatever that may be,
I suppose these supplements are pretty expensive.
Could Joseph Prince tell us what these supplements or pills are for
and how much do they cost?
And if they are so helpful in making him look younger,
and good-looking (if supplements are taken for this purpose),
instead of keeping it selfishly to himself,
Joseph Prince should share such ‘secrets’ to the public
so that everyone could benefit from them too.
Finally, a separate point for you to note
– that one of Joseph Prince’s supporters
is downright ignorant about his own idol.
In one of my YouTube’s Posting, someone posted this comment:
@mikeh3005 • 5 days ago
Joseph Prince may have his best Life now following after his mentor Joel Osteen. Whether within the next few years or at 120 years old; he will have to face his Maker one day at the Great White Throne Judgement and give an account for the millions of souls led astray by his deviant preaching.
Then, in reply to the first comment, another comment appeared:
@salmondelacruz3153 • 3 days ago
The fact that you actually think Joel Osteen is Joseph Prince’, mentor means you have no discernment at all.
Imagine, this loyal and ardent supporter of Joseph Prince
isn’t even aware that it was Joseph Prince himself
who said that Joel Osteen is his mentor.