Article 1: Joseph Prince speaks to pimples to disappear & makes hair grow & Pastor Mark speaks in tongues over plants
Sub Title: Joseph Prince twists God’s arm to answer prayer & trivialises the fig tree incident
Article 2: Joseph Prince lied that Jesus is asking God on your behalf & there are no conditions to answered prayer
– By Rev George Ong (Dated 27 Apr 2024)
Announcement No 1
Can you believe this
– I have cleared much of Joseph Prince’s rubbish
in his 7 and 14 Apr 2024 sermons
in 3 of my previous articles.
In this article, I had to clear even more of his rubbish
in the same 7 and 14 Apr 2024 sermons.
Announcement No 2
Note there is 1 video on Mike Winger
& 4 videos on Joseph Prince.
See the Appendix for YouTube comments.
Excerpt from the Article:
This serious matter of God’s judgement on the nation of Israel
was trivialised by Joseph Prince
when he compared Jesus speaking to the fig tree
to us speaking to our pimples and our baldness.
Just as Jesus spoke to the fig trees and it died,
Joseph Prince argues that in the same way,
we can speak to our pimples and our baldness
and our pimples will disappear and our hair will grow.
What kind of Siah Suey (disgraceful) teaching is that?
What is worse is that Joseph Prince has treated God’s word
in the passage of the fig tree almost as a joke
when he related what one of his Pastors,
Pastor Mark did to his plants.
Joseph Prince said that the plants
that Pastor Mark blessed with his mouth grew,
while those he cursed died.
Pastor Mark even spoke in tongues over the plants.
How bizarre and outlandish can one get?
This is the first time I have heard someone
who prayed in tongues over his plants
just to test whether his theory of blessing and cursing works.
Joseph Prince has vouched that Pastor Mark is not mentally sick.
Whether Pastor Mark is mentally sick, I don’t know.
But an Ex New Creation Church member, Janice Lee
shared that one of Joseph Prince’s Pastors,
(now confirmed as Pastor Mark,)
who shared in his testimony
that God had miraculously written off
his debts he owed to the bank,
and they disappeared from the bank system.
Any sensible and thinking Christian
would sense that there is something really wrong
with Pastor Mark’s testimony.
Even if it is true that his debts
disappeared from the bank system,
can this Pastor attribute this to God?
If Pastor Mark is an honest person,
he would have informed the bank
that his debts had disappeared from the bank system.
Can God perform a so-called miracle
that would make Him dishonest?
Or is there something really wrong with Pastor Mark mentally
for making such a weird statement?
Whether Pastor Mark is mentally unsound I am not sure,
But what I can say for sure
is that both Pastor Mark and Joseph Prince
are spiritually sick to the core.
(This article was also sent to Rev Dr Ngoei Foong Nghian, General Secretary, National Council of Churches of Singapore (NCCS) office, and for the attention of the Executive Committee Members.)
Article 1: Joseph Prince twists God’s arm to answer prayer & trivialises the fig tree incident
In a sermon on 7 Apr 2024, Joseph Prince said;
“Why not try it on your pimple first?
You got pimple, right.
You say pimple,
I curse you in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Alright, start there. Amen.
Look at yourself in the mirror,
hair, be fruitful and multiply
in the name of Jesus. Amen.
Ya, I don’t feel like doing that.
Sounds so stupid. Okay Lah.
Just have your way, it’s okay.
Jesus don’t mind talking to trees.
He talked to one tree, the tree died
because the tree was unfruitful, he cursed the fig tree.
From now on no one eat fruit from you hereafter forever.
The tree mati, you know, the tree mati. The tree died.
We’ll speak to our trees to grow luxuriously abundant.
If we have trees in our house, or garden, or whatever,
we will speak to them.
Pastor Mark make an experiment one time of plants
in his house in a beaker.
He put them in a beaker, glass
and he grew them with a cotton and all that.
And one of them, he cursed, cursed, cursed, cursed.
I don’t know how long it was, a few months.
He has the pictures.
Another one, he spoke in tongues over it.
Another one, he just blessed.
You will grow well. I love you.
He’s talking to plants.
Anyone seeing him do that,
they will think that he needs help, mentally.
But Pastor Mark is one of the healthiest mental person I know of.
So, after sometime I forgot how long it was.
The one that he cursed, that plant, died.
Maybe, we’ll get him to preach next time,
and show you that picture, okay.
Ya, it’s timestamp, that picture.
It died.
And the ones that he blessed
and the ones that he spoke in tongues, flourished.
Isn’t it interesting?
So, you don’t realise the power you have in your words.”
In a sermon on 14 Apr 2024, Joseph Prince said;
“So, every day, speak to that condition.
Start practicing on your pimples.
Say,
‘Pimple, die in Jesus’s name.’
And see if it happens or not.
I’ve been doing that for years.
And now I’m still doing it for certain parts of my body.
Let’s be Christians that speak to the condition.”
Joseph Prince told a half-truth
that Jesus spoke to the fig tree and it died.
But as usual, Prince hid the other half truth from you
about the reason Jesus spoke and cursed the fig tree,
which represents Israel.
In context, Jesus cursed the fig tree
because Israel as a nation didn’t produce fruits
that Jesus was going after.
As a result, the fig tree died and most scholars are of the view
this referred to the destruction of the temple in AD 70
and multitudes of Israelites were mercilessly slaughtered:
Matthew 21:18-21 NIV
18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered. 20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked. 21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
Please also see Matthew 21:12-17 for context.
Mark 11:19-22 NIV
19 When evening came, Jesus and his disciples went out of the city. 20 In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. 21 Peter remembered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!” 22 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. 23 “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”
Please also see Mark 11:12-18 for context.
This serious matter of God’s judgement on the nation of Israel
was trivialised by Joseph Prince
when he compared Jesus speaking to the fig tree
to us speaking to our pimples and our baldness.
Just as Jesus spoke to the fig trees and it died,
Joseph Prince argues that in the same way,
we can speak to our pimples and our baldness
and our pimples will disappear and our hair will grow.
What kind of Siah Suey (disgraceful) teaching is that?
What is worse is that Joseph Prince has treated God’s word
in the passage of the fig tree almost as a joke
when he related what one of his Pastors,
Pastor Mark did to his plants.
Joseph Prince said that the plants
that Pastor Mark blessed with his mouth grew,
while those he cursed died.
Pastor Mark even spoke in tongues over the plants.
How bizarre and outlandish can one get?
This is the first time I have heard someone
who prayed in tongues over his plants
just to test whether his theory of blessing and cursing works.
Joseph Prince has vouched that Pastor Mark is not mentally sick.
Whether Pastor Mark is mentally sick, I don’t know.
But an Ex New Creation Church member, Janice Lee
shared that one of Joseph Prince’s Pastors,
(now confirmed as Pastor Mark,)
who shared in his testimony
that God had miraculously written off
his debts he owed to the bank,
and they disappeared from the bank system.
Any sensible and thinking Christian
would sense that there is something really wrong
with Pastor Mark’s testimony.
Even if it is true that his debts
disappeared from the bank system,
can this Pastor attribute this to God?
If Pastor Mark is an honest person,
he would have informed the bank
that his debts had disappeared from the bank system.
Can God perform a so-called miracle
that would make Him dishonest?
Or is there something really wrong with Pastor Mark mentally
for making such a weird statement?
Whether Pastor Mark is mentally unsound I am not sure,
But what I can say for sure
is that both Pastor Mark and Joseph Prince
are spiritually sick to the core.
In a sermon on 14 Apr 2024, Joseph Prince said;
“So, one of the things you can do
if you have not received your healing in any area,
is to speak to it day by day.
If you have a tumour in your body,
say to the tumour, talk to the tumour
and say,
‘Tumour, I curse you to your roots in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Be thou pluck up and be thou thrown into the sea.’
Tell the tumour,
‘Get out of my body in the name of Jesus.’
What if doesn’t happen Pastor?
Keep on talking to it.
Keep on talking (to it).
When Jesus spoke to the fig tree
as an object lesson of faith.
He said like this.
No one eat fruit from you hereafter forever.
So, Jesus spoke to fig trees. It’s okay.
The most sane, sound, perfect man,
spoke to trees and the tree died.”
It is true that from the fig tree incident (Matt 21:18-20; Mk 11:19-21)
Jesus went on to teach about prayer (Matt 21:21-22; Mk 11:22-25).
It is also true that Jesus stressed that
if one has faith and believes that he will receive,
his prayer will be answered:
Matthew 21:21-22 NIV
21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”
Mark 11:22-25 NIV
22 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. 23 “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”
But what one needs to note is that
especially from Mark 14:35-36,
and the teaching of prayer in 1 John 5:14:
1 John 5:14 NIV
14 This is the confidence we have in approaching God:
that if we ask anything according to his will,
he hears us,
this is not a blank cheque to ask God
to satisfy our own vanity,
such as Joseph Prince asking God
to remove pimples or baldness,
or even for God to take away our tumour,
especially if the request is not in accordance with God’s will.
We must never presume that all our asking
is in accordance to God’s will.
I can guarantee that no matter how much faith one has,
if the request is not in accordance with God’s will,
whether it is about pimples or baldness,
or the healing of any diseases,
He will not answer it.
In a teaching session, Mike Winger said;
“Mark presents this blank cheque kind of teaching on prayer (Mark 11).
Is there anything that counterpoint this?
Is there anything that’s going to balance this out
for times when God simply says no?
And the answer is yes.
And it’s in the gospel of Mark in chapter 14
when Jesus prays the following and God says no.
So, here we are, Mark 14:35.
This is the counterpoint.
This is the missing piece of the puzzle.
And He went a little beyond them and fell to the ground.
And He fell to the ground and began to pray
that if it were possible, the hour might passed by Him.
Jesus wants to avoid this suffering.
And He was saying.
Wants to, doesn’t mean He is choosing to.
But of course, there’s a desire to.
And He was saying Abba Father
All things are possible for You;
Remove this cup from Me;
yet not what I will, but what You will.
This is, in a nutshell, exactly the prayer
that is anathematized by the Prosperity preachers,
and the Word of Faith guys.
And it’s prayer on Jesus’ lips.
Look when they’re telling me to not pray the way Jesus prays,
something’s wrong with your teaching.
Mark 14 presents the perfect counterpoint
and filling out, not disagreeing
but filling out the rest of the story of Mark 11.
And that’s what we need.
Let’s apply Mark 11, right.
Does Jesus have unforgiveness in His heart?
No, of course not.
Is there sin in His life?
No, of course not.
Does He have true and genuine faith towards the Father?
Absolutely. Absolutely, total, perfect faith.
And then He asked.
Now, Jesus is God, here.
But He’s standing here as providing an example for humans
on how we interact with God.
Okay, that’s the point.
And so, Jesus has faith, no sin, no unforgiveness in His life.
And He prays and He believes all things are possible for You.
And then He adds this whole idea of,
but yet, let your will be done, Lord, not mine.
Father, He says, Father let your will be done, Lord, not mine.
And this is exactly what I’ve heard over and over
from the Word of Faith preachers never to do.
That it’s a prayer killer.
And that praying thy will be done to God is a miracle killer.
And I think this is very bad.
This is where you’re wrong.
If you’ve taught people,
don’t say Lord, your will be done, not mine.
If you’ve taught that,
you’ve taught them to reject Jesus’ prayer.
You’ve also taught them to reject the Sermon on the Mount
where Jesus teaches us how to pray.
Jesus teaches you are to pray, God, Father in heaven
hallowed be your name, your will be done.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
So, the whole premises of prayer
is that God’s will not mine is being done.
So, while yes, faith is essential,
God’s will is the determiner
that ultimately will trump all of that
because Jesus, here,
He’s got faith.
He’s got perfect prayer.
And yet, the answer is no.
The answer is no.
And in a nutshell,
what I’m saying with all these
is that Jesus’ prayer in the Garden
stands as an intentional counterpoint
to the teaching in Mark 11.
It stands there under the inspiration of the Spirit
that was written down by Mark,
under the intentionality of Jesus,
making sure that the disciples
could experience and hear and see Him
struggling through this moment
so that they would learn that they have to suffer too
according to God’s will.
That’s the lesson.
Faith means not only I believe God for miracles.
Faith means I believe God in suffering.
And if you don’t have both of these,
you have a sub biblical view of believing.
Now there are those who want you to be so emphasised, focused
on the idea of healing and miracles,
that they will argue against the Gethsemane passage.
And that is a problem.
Faith trust in suffering.
(Quoted someone) ‘What makes discipleship
in the Markan community so difficult
is not that it involves suffering
but that it involves suffering
by those who participate in God’s power
to do the impossible.’
The God who wills to move the mountain
does not always will to take away the cup.
Those who belong to Jesus’ true family
do the will of God
whether it involves miracles or suffering.
That is so right on.
The problem that Mark is dealing with,
Mark’s addressing, sort of behind the scenes
is you have this incredible access to God
where you believe and He works miracles,
and yet there are times when you are believing He’s saying no.
Just like you thought faith was key,
key in accessing God’s miraculous power,
you must also believe that faith is key
in dealing with suffering when God says no.
If you think I believe God for healing and he says no,
do you really believe Him,
if you don’t believe Him when He says no?
Do I really trust Him?
Or was He just like a vending machine?
I put the coin of faith in and I get what I want
and if I don’t, I kick and punch the vending machine.
Vending machines don’t have wills.
It’s just input output machines.
God has a will and we must submit to that.
Now, here’s why I bring this up.
A distorted teaching on Mark 11 in prayer;
it makes it so that the miracles source in my will
instead of in God’s will.
The power of God to heal, to do wonderful things;
it comes from me and not from Him.
I think a biblical teaching
is that it comes from God and I respond.
Now another response to this though
is where the Word of Faith preachers are going to say,
but Mike it’s always God’s will to heal.
It’s just always His will.
And a lot of people do think this.
I don’t agree.
I don’t think that’s biblical and I’ve given lots of examples
in the Mark’s series of that sort of thing.
So Paul, he suffered physical ailments.
Timothy had regular stomach issues.
Now keep this in mind.
Paul, the apostle and he would go around and heal crowds
full of people, the handkerchief, right, heals people.
And yet, Timothy has regular stomach issues.
And Paul’s not like I’ll pray for you, you’ll be healed,
I have faith or Timothy you have faith.
Instead, it’s like drink some wine, not just water
because of your frequent stomach issues.
Erastus. Paul’s healing everybody, right.
But Erastus, he says he left sick in my leaders.
He just leaves him there.
Paul heals everybody
but he just leaves Erastus sick in my leaders.
Epaphroditus almost died.
He had a prolonged illness.
He was a missionary with Paul.
He had a prolonged and he almost died because of it.
Real faith, this brings in Mark 14 as well.
Real faith is believing,
believing when the answer is no.
And that God’s will for your life
does involve temporary suffering.
(If you are) Influenced by those who are teaching
that if you just believed enough, you will be healed.
And you have been trying to convince yourself
that God’s going to heal you,
that it is just simply according to God’s will
for whatever reason He has.
You fall back on who He is
and you say Lord I trust you.
I trust your goodness and I’m resting in you
so that with healing or not healing,
faith is the key.”
The trouble with many believers
is that just because they have a desire for God to fulfil,
regardless whether it is on healing or other issues,
they automatically think it must be God’s will.
But what Joseph Prince does is even worse.
He has the audacity to twists God’s arm
to answer the prayer when he said:
“Tell the tumour,
‘Get out of my body in the name of Jesus.’
What if doesn’t happen Pastor?
Keep on talking to it.
Keep on talking (to it).”
Joseph Prince is effectively saying
that God has no choice
and He will have to answer the prayer,
just because my request is about healing.
But we know for a fact that there are many Christians,
who are not healed of all sorts of diseases
and many even died.
So, what happens to the sons and daughters
whose mother, who believes in Joseph Prince’s ‘God must heal’ teachings
was not healed and passed away.
Their children may leave the faith
and the blood is on Joseph Prince’s hands.
Now, come on, let’s not pretend.
Just from my wife and my own experiences,
there are many of our friends and relatives
who are believers, who had cancer, heart attack
and other diseases,
and they are not healed
but they passed away before their time.
It would be no different
from many of your experiences.
Yes, we should celebrate those God had healed
as God can and still heal today.
But, at the same time,
we must bow before His will
for those who aren’t healed,
and are joyously called home to be with Him in glory.
Lastly, Joseph Prince deliberately deceives us
that this prayer to move mountains
comes with no conditions:
Mark 11:22-25 NIV
22 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. 23 “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.”
As it is indicated in the Markan version,
it comes with the condition
that we don’t harbour unforgiveness against others.
And if we have not dealt with unforgiveness,
such mountain-moving prayers
would not be answered.
Article 2: Joseph Prince lied that Jesus is asking on your behalf & there are no conditions to answered prayer – By Rev George Ong
In a sermon on 7 Apr 2024, Joseph Prince said;
“So, in the Upper room,
says until now, you have asked nothing in my name.
Ask the Father, alright.
Ask the Father in my name and He;
who will give it? The Father.
He will give it to you.
Up till now you have asked nothing in my name.
Whatsoever you ask the Father in my name,
He will give it to you.
So, when you ask in Jesus’ name,
the Father is like, He doesn’t see you anymore.
He sees Jesus making the request.
In my name means,
you are actually no more standing in your own ground,
your own merits, you are standing in person of Jesus,
His merits.
Does he merit an answered prayer?
Oh yes and how. Amen.”
Joseph Prince based his teaching of prayer
on the following texts:
John 14:13-14 NKJV
13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
John 16:23-24 NKJV
23 “And in that day you will ask Me nothing. Most assuredly, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in My name He will give you. 24 Until now you have asked nothing in My name. Ask, and you will receive, that your joy may be full.
Joseph Prince told 2 lies.
First, Joseph Prince lied that you when you pray in Jesus’ name,
it means you are no longer asking in prayer for yourself,
but that Jesus is now asking God for you,
or on your behalf.
This is not the meaning of Praying in Jesus’ name
that Joseph Prince has lied to us.
Praying in Jesus’ name means:
Praying with the Lord Jesus’ authority
and asking God the Father to act upon our prayers
because we come in the name of His Son, Jesus.
It also means that we acknowledge
that we cannot approach God on our own,
but only the basis of the sacrifice and blood of Jesus.
The second lie Joseph Prince told
is that in our prayers to God in the Upper Room,
there are no conditions.
Joseph Prince told us the half-truth
about John 14:13-14 and John 16:23-24.
But Joseph Prince craftily hid from you
the other half of the truth in John 15:7:
John 15:7 NKJV
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you,
you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
Clearly, answered prayers
are not unconditional.
But they are conditional,
upon our abiding in Christ.
If we don’t abide in Christ,
the deal is off.
Rev George Ong
Appendix
Featured YouTube comments:
@user-gx9rs1xd1l
“I thought Joseph Prince’s preaching was very charismatic
until I stumbled upon this video.
Indeed, all humans greatest sin is pride.
Seems that Joseph Prince enjoys the attention and love of the audience.
It is very scary if a well-known and influential pastor
can create his own version of preaching the gospel.
The Christian community must look into it
and prevent this from spreading to the world.
Back to basics – only to Bible! Nothing else.”
@user-vo3iy4ur6d
“Why did Joseph Prince go into the occult in the first place?
Is it for wealth and fame and power?
I think these motivations followed him
into his so-called Christian beliefs
and so, I asked is Joseph Prince really saved?
Simon, the sorcerer, believed
and was even baptized by Evangelist Philip.
But Peter said to Simon the sorcerer,
he hath neither part or lot in this matter,
perish with your silver.
If God were to take Simon’s life there and then,
he would not be saved.
At least Simon realised his sickness, not Joseph Prince.”
@veralinc8117
“If you want the most comfortable religion in the world,
Christianity is not recommended.
You should turn to Congracenity
pioneered by the New Conman Club.”
@lightji
“He even teaches that repentance
is only preached by the angel of light… Not by Jesus.
Watch his sermon in Grace revolution at Hillsong.”
@user-hd7qv8dx7x
“No repentance, no godly sorrow, no conviction,
no remorse, no sacrifice, no commandments,
no commitment, no discipleship, no suffering etc.
How could anyone believe in such a sick religion
that removed so much of the Bible?
And replaced it with riches, vanity, youthful looking,
comfort, passiveness, effortless success etc.
It’s sick to the core!”
@kayqq361
“Joseph Prince is a scam and a heresy to Christianity.”
@user-vo3iy4ur6d
“Joseph Prince’s Hyper grace
is beyond the revelation
of the true grace of God in the Bible
and Joseph Prince has aptly called it Grace Revolution,
Indeed, it is a Grace Rebellion.
Revolution = Rebellion.”
@vijayrem-mn6id
“Cons, clowns, charades. What a church! Laughable!
All these shoulder pain, knee pain etc
can heal by itself.
It’s an insult to the designer of the human body
to say this kind of pain needs Joseph Prince
as the healing medium.”