Joseph Prince’s Use Of “The Thief” To Support His Pre-Tribulation Imminent Teaching Is Unfounded Part 30 (V107 Dated 13 June 2021)
Testimonies of Pastor Melvyn Mak, Albert Chow, Vincent Tay, Derrick Lim, Ch’ng Mun Lee, Quah Sim Eik, Stephen Auw Yong & Francis Lo
Rev George Ong’s Comments:
Please read the 8 testimonies of those who attended the Great Tribulation & Rapture seminar: Pastor Melvyn Mak, Albert Chow, Vincent Tay, Derrick Lim, Ch’ng Mun Lee, Quah Sim Eik, Stephen Auw Yong & Francis Lo who have affirmed the truth of Post-tribulation Rapture and confirmed the falsity of Pre-tribulation Rapture.
Please bear in mind that these testimonies were written several years ago and so their appointments, titles and church attending and pastoring are correct only at the point of writing.
Testimony of Pastor Melvyn Mak
I attended the Rapture & Great Tribulation seminar by Pastor George Ong.
His teaching had reinforced my Post-trib belief.
It has also reminded me to be pro-actively preaching against the false Pre-tribulation doctrine to keep believers from being deceived.
This seminar contains a very critical message to prepare for the end-times that every believer needs to hear and discern what the Spirit is saying to the Church.
Pastor George has done a great service to the Church by his comprehensive research and teaching regarding the deception of the Pre-tribulation rapture.
His teaching is clear and animated and I highly recommend this seminar to every believer.
Thanks Pastor George for responding to the call of God of teaching against the false Pre-tribulation belief, even though it is a call that comes with a heavy price.
Former Deputy Senior Pastor, Faith Community Baptist Church (FCBC), Singapore
Board Member and Lay Pastor of Kingdom Community Church
Testimony of Albert Chow
In the late 80’s we were taught the Pre-tribulation rapture.
At that time, I had not heard about the Post-tribulation rapture until Dr Paul Tan from Singapore came to our church to teach the doctrine.
Dr Paul Tan taught the Post-tribulation doctrine with sound biblical support.
Since then, I began to believe in Post-tribulation rapture.
Although I strongly believed in Post-tribulation rapture, I had not totally rejected Pre-tribulation rapture, until I attended the teaching of Pastor George Ong on Rapture and Great Tribulation.
Pastor George has not only taught the Post-tribulation rapture with clear scriptural support and evidence but he has also boldly and conclusively debunked the false Pre-tribulation doctrine by clearly pointing out all the errors in their interpretation of scriptures.
I am now fully convinced about the truth of Post-tribulation and the falsity of Pre-tribulation and can boldly declare and defend this truth to help fellow Christians to be better prepared for the great tribulation.
A key leader in the Church
Attending Calvary Charismatic Church (Assembly of God), Lahad Datu, Sabah, Malaysia
Testimony of Vincent Tay
Thank you Rev George Ong because I am so wonderfully blessed by your Rapture and Great Tribulation seminar in which you had conducted recently in the Business & Professional (B&P) Ministries, Kuala Lumpur on 21st Nov 2015.
Your teaching is very insightful and truth revealing.
This subject and your research as contained in the 350-page book you provided have convinced me that it is a ‘Kairos’ time and moment for this topic to be taught to the body of Christ.
Rev George Ong, you are in ‘Esther 4:14’ for such a time as this.
In the past, I have heard about the teaching on Pre-trib and I did my own research on the topic.
I have found that the Pre-trib teaching is incoherent, and lacks consistency and clarity.
What you have taught on Post-trib and coupled with your extensive research and findings, have made the information plain, and the explanation simple and truthful according to the teaching of the scriptures.
Your timely subject on Post-trib had confirmed one of my visions that I had for some time now.
There is this one fine day while I was in church listening to the church sermon and I had this vision of a very big cruise ship.
And all I could see from afar on this cruise ship is everyone (Christians) enjoying themselves and practically enjoying life as it is.
Then there were these words that were dropped into my thoughts, ‘They have not seen or known any tribulations that are yet to come.’
Oh goodness me, does this sounds familiar to me now?
I believe our Lord Jesus Christ will empower you with such an anointing and propel your ministry to new heights.
He will empower you to bring light and the hard truth of Post-trib to the Church.
Christianity is not all rosy and easy that the entire church will escape tribulation as it is taught in the Pre-trib teachings.
Let’s not be deceived by the false Pre-trib teaching.
The preaching on Post-trib needs to be taken seriously, and we had better be prepared for the toughest battles that lie ahead for us all.
May our Lord and Saviour strengthen our spirits to those who have attended your seminar.
And as for others who have not heard about Post-trib, I pray that God will prepare their hearts to listen attentively to your Post-trib teachings.
Attending DUMC, Kuala Lumpur, Selangor, Malaysia
Testimony of Derrick Lim
Ever since I became a follower of Christ, I believe that everything is going to be alright and eventually one day I will be raptured to heaven to avoid the great tribulation.
But after I had attended Rev George’s seminar, I had a total change of mind.
In his teaching, Rev George had surfaced to us so much truths and proofs that Pre-tribulation is a false doctrine.
The proofs of the Pre-tribulation as a false doctrine are so overwhelming that it is impossible for me to believe otherwise.
I am very thankful that at a very young age of 18, I had the opportunity to learn of these valuable truths of the end-times.
I am now being filled with zeal and eagerness to spread the truth of the Post-tribulation doctrine to my brothers and sisters in Christ and also to reveal to them the detrimental effects of the Pre-tribulation.
Rev George’s teaching is fantastic.
I love the logical and clear way he went about his teaching.
He has made the loaded topic so simple for me as a youth to understand.
His ukulele performance and singing to lighten up the atmosphere was highly entertaining.
Attending Every Nation Church, Penang, Malaysia
Testimony of Ch’ng Mun Lee
I’ve learnt that all my previous belief and trust on the Pre-trib doctrine is biblically wrong.
Thank God for giving me the humility to unlearn what I have wrongfully learnt.
I was unpleasantly surprised and even shocked to discover that there is not even a single verse or passage that can explicitly support the Pre-trib doctrine.
How can something that is not explicitly supported from scriptures by a single verse or text be taught as common doctrine in so many churches, I unbelievably wonder?
On the other hand, your teaching on Post-trib doctrine is solidly and unmistakably supported from scriptures.
You are a dynamic and excellent teacher of the word.
Your 350-page notes are very well researched and prepared.
Through your book, you have meticulously, thoroughly and convincingly argued out your case on what is true and what is false.
I will make sure that I will read it again from cover to cover in order to be able to share it with my children and friends about the fact that the Post-trib teaching is true and that the Pre-trib is a false doctrine.
Attending an Assembly of God Church, Penang, Malaysia
Testimony of Quah Sim Eik
Before your teaching, I was unsure about when the saints will be raptured.
I had attended teachings on Pre-tribulation rapture.
As a normal human being, I am very comfortable and pleased to hear from the speaker of a meeting I had attended that the saints will escape the tribulation.
The teaching was followed by a church showing the film, ‘Left Behind’ and a series of fiction books written by the Pre-tribulation author, Tim LaHaye were promoted and I read them all (14 in the series!)
Despite the Pre-tribulation teachings, on the inside of me, I was rather ‘uncertain’ and there was always the fear of, ‘what if I am left behind?’
At best, it causes me to feel ‘exclusive’ but at the same time, it makes me lackadaisical, knowing that I will escape the terrible tribulation.
Thank God that through your teaching, I am convinced that Post-tribulation doctrine is biblical.
Your teaching has jolted me and I like the way it has shaken me up.
It teaches me to be prepared for the tribulation if this is the last of the last period of history.
It has woken me up from being complacent that I will be raptured before the great tribulation as I was taught to believe.
Now I am certain that I will face the tribulation and I am prepared without fear but ready to face it…even to the point of seeing my loved ones killed, I will not deny my Lord!
Your presentation of what the Bible teaches makes sense and is in line with the teaching of our Lord.
It gives the added strength and purpose that I am able to stand up for the Lord and not be a coward and run away from the challenge, when the battle gets intense.
It will definitely be a good test of my conviction.
I am very certain now and ready to face the great tribulation.
There ought to be no fear because God is with us.
It is indeed a privilege to be a Christian living during the end-time and climatic period of history.
Your teaching on Rapture and Great Tribulation is the most detailed and biblically based that I have ever attended.
I am at the same time angry with the enemy for clouding the truth of this matter by capitalising on the selfish human nature and tendency ‘of escaping danger’ to perpetuate the false Pre-tribulation theology.
May God bless your ministry.
Quah Sim Eik
Chairman of the Church Council, Trinity Baptist Church, Alor Star, Kedah, Malaysia
Testimony of Stephen Auw Yong
Your deep conviction, passion and boldness in revealing the falsity of the Pre-trib doctrine have challenged me to search the scriptures for the truth.
You had gone to the extent to say ‘If anyone can show me a verse or a passage that explicitly proves a Pre-trib rapture ─ I will give the person a free trip to anywhere in the world.’
I have mentioned your ‘offer’ to many pastors and friends, and to date, I have not known of anyone having taken up the offer.
Personally, I was led to study the following scriptures on the rapture question again: Matt 24-25, 1 Thess 1:10, 4:13-18, 5:4-9, 2 Thess 2:1-12, Mk 13:1-36, Acts 1:9-11, 2 Pet 3:10, 1 Cor 1:7,15:51-53, Zech 12:2-9, 10, 14:4,5. Phil 3:20, 1 Tim 6:14, Titus 2:13, Rev 19:15, 22:20.
After much prayer and based on the authority of the scriptures, I support your teaching about the truth of the Post-trib.
I pray that the Lord will continue to use you mightily to bring about a revival of Christians to be overcomers in the midst of tribulations in these end times, as well as bringing many more souls to His kingdom.
Stephen Auw Yong
Testimony of Francis Lo
I have always been inspired by Rev George Ong’s Ministry: through his teaching, his humour books as well as his regular Ministry Updates and the many testimonies, especially those who have been impacted by the Rapture and Great Tribulation seminar.
Initially, I had planned to join the session held at Basel Church, Canaanland, Kota Kinabalu on 20-21 March but due to a prior commitment, I was unable to do so.
It was with great excitement that I subsequently discovered through his Ministry Update that he will conduct the same seminar in Labuan (Church of Holy Savior) in May this year.
So I signed up without hesitation.
The Rapture issue is hardly preached from the pulpit.
Most of my ideas about rapture came from friends and movies (particularly ‘Left Behind’).
These are mostly, but sadly, centred around Pre-tribulation theology.
Though I have not done a deep study of the subject, I somehow had the suspicion that there is something not quite right about Pre-tribulation theology.
The seminar by Rev George Ong is the only seminar that I have attended so far that confirms my nagging suspicion that Pre-tribulation is a false doctrine.
It was a struggle to unlearn what I had wrongfully learnt all these years.
Thank God for giving me the humility to embrace the truth and put the false right behind me.
I am glad to have finally put the false Pre-trib theology to the grave.
With the Post-tribulation perspective, I am now re-reading the book of Revelation with a fresh understanding.
I am more than convinced now that the Bible is indeed teaching about Post-tribulation doctrine instead.
It is so crystal clear.
Nobody who comes with a humble and hungry heart to study the scriptures could have missed it.
Though the Post-tribulation doctrine is so clearly taught in the Bible, it is unimaginable that the Pre-tribulation theology has been allowed to infiltrate and fester in the Church of Jesus Christ for so long.
Now that I know I will have to go through the great tribulation if I belong to the end-time church, I am determined to equip myself and prepare future generations for the greatest challenge.
There is no escaping or easy way out.
I am encouraged to know that Rev George Ong has been given the calling to speak the unpopular and hard truth in order to prepare the Church for what is coming.
I am utterly convicted that this is what the Lord wants the churches today to hear what Rev George Ong has been teaching as we get closer to ‘the day of the Lord’.
Attending a Basel Church, Labuan, Sabah, Malaysia
Joseph Prince’s Imminent Coming Of Christ Doctrine Is Unbiblical & Must Be Refuted Part 29 (V106 Dated 10 June 2021)
Testimonies of Elder John Chen, Thomas Lum, Nenette Fuentes, Johanna Tan, Sabrina Chan, Lilian Sze, Kok Chin Choon & Ng Wai Vern
Rev George Ong’s Comments:
Please read the 8 testimonies of those who attended the Great Tribulation & Rapture seminar: Elder John Chen, Thomas Lum, Nenette Fuentes, Johanna Tan, Sabrina Chan, Lilian Sze, Kok Chin Choon & Ng Wai Vern who have affirmed the truth of Post-tribulation Rapture and confirmed the falsity of Pre-tribulation Rapture.
Please bear in mind that these testimonies were written several years ago and so their appointments, titles and church attending and pastoring are correct only at the point of writing.
Testimony of Elder John Chen
I attended the Rapture & Great Tribulation Seminar and was touched by your passion, conviction and commitment to the latest mission the Lord has given you regarding the preaching of the Post-tribulation doctrine.
The danger of falling away from the faith is indeed great for those who believe in the Pre-tribulation doctrine, who may find themselves caught in the midst of the great tribulation.
Your study of the various Bible passages relating to Rapture and the great tribulation was thorough, consistent and biblically sound.
Your teaching is a robust study of God’s word regarding the relationship of the Church and the Great Tribulation – the best I have heard so far.
While I understand the fear you have as you embark on this calling of teaching against the Pre-tribulation doctrine about believers being raptured before tribulation, I believe your obedience to the Lord will put you in good stead should the great tribulation come in your lifetime.
At any rate, let me state that I am on your side as I believe God is on our side.
Elder John Chen
All Saints Presbyterian Church, Singapore
Former Member of the Singapore Parliament
Former Minister of State for Communications, Information Technology & National Development
Testimony of Thomas Lum
I have learnt that while there are three passages that explicitly support the Post-tribulation doctrine, no verse or passage could be found to explicitly support the Pre-tribulation position.
That settles the issue quite obviously about which should be the true doctrine.
Rev George has a special ‘prophetic unction’ since his earlier days when he was pastoring in Grace Assembly.
That ‘unction’ is with him till this day in which the Lord is leading him as a ‘prophetic voice’ that is much needed in the body of Christ.
He shared the unpopular and tough Post-tribulation position knowing it may cause him his livelihood.
I respect Rev George as a man of God who speaks the truth without fearing man or mammon.
He shared without fear or reservation on what the word of God says.
His teaching is full of conviction delivered with tears and trembling and one that is based solidly on the Bible.
I pray for God’s enablement upon him and Kwee Siew as he brings this truth to the Body of Christ.
Praise God for you both!
Attending an Assembly of God Church, Singapore
Testimony of Nenette Fuentes
I have learnt a lot from your seminar.
I thank you for the patient way you went about helping us to understand the teachings in your seminar.
My eyes were really opened to the truth that the church will go through the tribulation.
I wish to thank you for making many sacrifices in order to obey the calling of God to reveal the Pre-tribulation as a false teaching.
Many have misunderstood you, criticised you and even opposed you.
You have nothing to gain but everything to lose.
Yet, you have chosen to obey God.
That is the kind of leader that I really respect.
A leader with the passion and conviction to obey God whatever the cost.
A leader that bends according to the wind and ‘play politics’ will never gain my respect.
We need preachers like you who will not bow down to pressure to compromise on the truth of God’s word.
I pray that God will sustain you in your most challenging task and that your message will be heard around the world.
Testimony of Johanna Tan
Dear Pastor George, thank you for your teaching on Rapture and Great Tribulation that was held at Skyline SIB Church in Kota Kinabalu, Sabah.
Before attending the seminar, I was not really concerned, nor had I understood how this issue was of any importance to me.
After the seminar, I now realise the significance of this issue to my life.
A particular Bible verse you had highlighted which I will always remember is Joel 2:31. “The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.”
As you have mentioned, the great tribulation must come first.
It will be followed by the darkening of the sun and moon.
After the darkening of the sun and moon, the Lord Jesus Christ will come in power and great glory!
I have learnt that the Pre-tribulation doctrine is false as there is no verse or passage that explicitly points to rapture before tribulation.
I had also learnt that there is only one second coming of Christ.
A two-stage second coming of Christ as taught in the Pre-tribulation doctrine is nowhere to be found in the scriptures.
Pastor George, your teaching is excellent and full of humour.
I particularly like your Hokkien jokes.
It is a good and relaxing way to receive a sober message in a joyful atmosphere.
I look forward to your coming to Sabah again.
I love to listen to your singing.
Thank you Pastor George.
Attending Skyline SIB, Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia
Testimony of Sabrina Chan
This is the first time I have heard about the Post-tribulation Rapture, as all this while, I was exposed only to the Pre-tribulation Rapture teaching.
The Pre-trib doctrine that teaches that the Church will escape the great and tremendous testing and trying of our Faith, is so comforting to the ears of many, including myself.
But after having listened to your teaching on Post-trib which is so convincingly and strongly backed-up by scriptures, I am very enlightened, convicted and convinced that Post-trib is indeed the correct doctrine.
I now realise that many of those who taught the Pre-trib doctrine are sincerely wrong as there is not even an explicit verse or passage that supports it.
I am very thankful to Heavenly Papa for being so mindful of us and loving us, His Church, to reveal this vital truth to us through you.
Through your teaching, we have unlearned what was wrongly taught in Pre-trib and we now boldly embrace the truth of Post-trib.
It is vital that the Body of Christ be correctly taught the truth of God’s word on Rapture and Great Tribulation so that the Church can be prepared for the perilous times ahead.
To be forewarned is to be forearmed.
One of the good illustrations you shared which enlightens me a lot is this quote by someone and with your own words added in brackets: “It is impossible to effectively train an army (the Church) for a major battle (Great Tribulation) if the soldiers (the Body of Christ) are told they will never have to participate!”
Your teaching serves as a wake-up call to the Body of Christ from her complacency and spiritual slumber.
I am also very touched and challenged by your dedication, love and obedience to God’s call to teach on Post-trib.
Even though you are faced with a lot of misunderstanding and severe challenges to the point of being ostracised by a certain segment of the Body of Christ, you have not wavered a single bit.
I am also encouraged by the fervent and loving support of your beloved wife and family.
I believe all those who have attended your seminar will share this common view with me that your biblical teaching was spiritually refreshing and edifying even though it was meaty.
Undoubtedly, God has endowed you with a special anointing to present it to us so clearly and with a touch of humour in between.
Listening to your melodious voice as you sang was certainly a blessing indeed.
May you and your family be continually inspired and empowered by the Holy Spirit to move boldly forward for God’s Kingdom to be established on earth as it is in heaven.
Attending High Praise Assembly Church, Ipoh, Perak, Malaysia
Testimony of Lilian Sze
I have always believed in the Pre-tribulation doctrine and not Post-tribulation.
I decided to sign up for the seminar to go with an open mind to find out more about what the Bible has got to say regarding the great tribulation.
It was really an eye-opening experience for me as I sat through the 7 hours of teaching.
There were so many Bible references supporting the Post-tribulation vis-a-vis the Pre-tribulation.
After attending the seminar, I began to question myself if believing in the Pre-tribulation is right.
After all, there is so much biblical support in the Bible for the Post-tribulation view.
And I reason within myself ─ what I have got to lose if I believe in Post-tribulation and prepare to suffer for Christ in the great tribulation.
If my belief in the Post-tribulation is false and Pre-tribulation turns out to be true, I will still be fine.
However, if my belief in Pre-tribulation eventually turns out to be false, and suddenly I find myself caught in the great tribulation, it will come as a great blow to me.
I may not recover from the shock of banking all my hopes on a false belief.
Further, I will not have prepared myself to suffer for Christ, and in my spiritual unpreparedness, I may turn away from the faith and deny Christ.
When this thought strikes me, I was really very shocked, and I began to wonder – what if all my fellow sisters and brothers in Christ have the same Pre-tribulation belief?
And if Pre-tribulation is proven to be false, what will happen to them?
If my children and the next generation are not given the right teaching and they are not ready for suffering and persecution in the great tribulation, what will happen to them?
Pastor George Ong’s seminar really sets me thinking a lot.
I now see the importance of preparing myself for the Post-tribulation scenario.
In fact, I started sharing with some sisters and brothers in Christ about this Rapture and Great Tribulation seminar that I had attended.
I also encourage them to attend with an open mind and be led by the Holy Spirit to decide for themselves what ought to be the true belief.
One should not believe a doctrine just because the majority subscribes to it.
The onus is on each one of us to find out what the word of God says and what the Holy Spirit is telling us.
The word of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit will never be wrong,
We owe it to ourselves and our children to ensure that the right end-time doctrine is being shared using the word of God as the guide.
Thank you Pastor George for teaching us.
Overall, the teaching was good and I have learnt a lot from it.
Attending an Assembly of God Church, Singapore
Testimony of Kok Chin Choong
In the seminar, there are many Biblical passages shared to support your teaching that Post-tribulation Rapture doctrine is true and Pre-tribulation Rapture doctrine is false.
It is so sad and strange that evangelical Christians can come up with such seriously erroneous doctrines.
Though the teaching is meaty and heavy, your interesting presentation, effective voice level and humour have helped the audience to follow your teaching and sustain their attention throughout the 11-hour seminar.
You certainly deserve a 9 out of 10 for the clarity of your teaching and a 10 out of 10 for the insights that I have gained.
Kok Chin Choong
Attending St Peter’s (Anglican) Church, Ipoh, Perak, Malaysia
Testimony of Ng Wai Vern
During the first night of the seminar, when you told us that believers will all have to go through Tribulation, I became very sceptical by your remarks and was slightly confused.
But when you further said, ‘Give me a chance to explain in greater detail for the next 3 nights, and listen to what I have to say before making your own stand,’ I was glad that I did.
And at the end of the 3 nights of seminar, my knowledge of the book of Revelation became even much clearer.
‘Be prepared for the coming of Christ!’ the Pre-trib teachers exhorted.
Well, as funny as it sounds, I don’t think ‘partying’ and having fun up in heaven for 7 years needs any preparation.
Being prepared means to be well equipped, mentally, physically and especially, spiritually, to go into battle with the empowerment of the Holy Spirit against the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation.
I want to thank you for revealing the real truth of the Post-trib doctrine with solid biblical proof.
You have also convinced me with the authority of the scriptures that Pre-trib is a false doctrine.
Seriously, as youngsters like me in my mid-20s, we don’t just believe what we are told.
We are born with a sense of curiosity and we will question until we are certain of our belief.
Your seminar has certainly provided me with solid and satisfying answers to my questions.
Your teaching has left me beyond a shadow of a doubt that we would all have to go through Tribulation for the glory of God.
Your teaching is solidly backed up by scriptures and there is really no room left for doubts or questions.
It is unacceptable and ironical that the Pre-trib lie has been allowed to spread and propagate for over 180 years in the Church of Jesus Christ and this has to stop.
Without being prepared for Tribulation, Christians will fall during the reign of the Antichrist and Satan would have won the battle.
The Pre-trib doctrine has an inherent danger of causing many to fall away from the faith in the Great Tribulation.
To fall away by denying Christ simply means that we will be eternally separated from Him.
It is the nature of human beings to choose comfort over tribulation.
I have always thought and believe that Christians will escape the Tribulation for the past 18 years as a Christian.
I didn’t know that I was living with the lie of the Pre-tribulation doctrine for so long.
It’s daunting and scary that if tribulation were to happen now, and if I didn’t attend your teaching, to be honest, I would be totally unprepared and would be likely to fall away.
Thank God that your teaching has been an eye-opener and a wake-up call.
I thank you for removing the veil of deception off my eyes – the deception of comfort and complacency of the Pre-tribulation doctrine.
There’s really nothing to lose as to be over-prepared is better than to be unprepared.
Everything in your teaching is simply clear.
I am glad that I understood everything of what you taught.
I have yet to see any scripture that is twisted by you or taken out of its context in order to support the Post-tribulation stand.
I sincerely pray for the difficult journey of your calling and that God’s wisdom, favour and covering will continue to be upon you and your family.
Attending Trinity Baptist Church, Alor Star, Kedah, Malaysia
Dr Roland Chia, Lecturer at Trinity Theological College, Singapore: Dated 6 June 2021 (Click), Dated 5 May 2021 (Click), Dated 9 Apr 2021 (Click), Dated 5 Mar 2021 (Click), Dated 9 Feb 2021 (Click), Dated 14 Jan 2021 (Click) & 1 Dec 2020 (Click)
Rev George Ong, Singapore: Dated 14 Mar 2021 (Click), Dated 8 Mar 2021 (Click), Dated 1 Mar 2021 (Click), Dated 23 Feb 2021 (Click), Dated 5 Feb 2021 (Click), Dated 2 Feb 2021 (Click), Poem (Click), Dated 26 Jan 2021 (Click), Dated 20 Jan 2021 (Click) & 5 Jan 2021 (Click)
Read the Compelling Testimonies of Ex New Creation Church Members (Joseph Prince’s Church):
Joseph Prince’s Pre-Tribulation Doctrine Of Imminence Contradicts Both Jesus’ & Paul’s Teachings Part 28 (V105 Dated 6 June 2021)
Dr Roland Chia’s Article & 4 Rapture Testimonies
Already Perfect? – By Dr Roland Chia
Chief among their many teachings about the Christian life that the new antinomians got spectacularly wrong is their doctrine of sanctification. Once an individual becomes a Christian by putting his faith in Jesus Christ, they claim, his sanctification is complete and he is made perfect.
They insist that this is what the Bible teaches, and often appeal to Colossians 2:9-10 for support. The King James Version of that passage reads: ‘For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; and you are complete in him …’
The antinomians maintain that the expression ‘you are complete in him’ (v 10) refers to perfection. They conclude that once a person becomes a Christian, he is immediately made complete, that is, he is fully sanctified and made perfect.
Joseph Prince could therefore write: ‘Colossians 2 tells us we are already made perfect in Christ. We don’t work towards perfection. Christ has made us perfect from the Cross. The minute you believe you are made perfect in Christ you work from your perfection not to it.’
Consequently, the new antinomians are of the view that the sixteenth century Protestant Reformers have failed to understand this important truth. According to them, the Reformers’ theology of grace was not radical enough.
This prompted the antinomians to initiate a new ‘Grace Reformation’ to correct the mistakes of the magisterial reformers such as Martin Luther and John Calvin. Clark Whitten puts this across forcefully when he writes: ‘The old religious approach of “I am justified. I am being sanctified and I will be glorified” is a lie.’
The antinomians therefore teach that sanctification is not a process but an instantaneous and complete work of grace. Just as the believer is justified when he puts his faith in Christ, so he is already sanctified and glorified.
Whitten explains why the antinomians think that this is important:
Listen! I believe that if you aren’t made perfect now, you cannot be in union with God, and you won’t go to Heaven! No unsanctified person or thing can live in God’s presence. God will not do anything to me in Heaven that he hasn’t already done here.
Why is this teaching unbiblical and erroneous?
The Bible and Sanctification
The Bible speaks of sanctification in two senses.
To be sanctified is to be separated – set apart – to God. This is the first way in which the Bible uses the word ‘sanctification’.
Peter, in his letter to the Christians scattered throughout Asia Minor, describes believers as ‘chosen and destined by God the Father and sanctified by the Spirit for obedience to Jesus Christ’ (1 Peter 1:2). Christians are chosen, destined and set apart by God.
Theologians have termed this as positional sanctification. Christians are thus set apart at the moment of their conversion.
Using the evocative language of the Old Testament, Peter describes Christians as ‘God’s special possession’ who have been ‘called out of darkness into his wonderful light’ (1 Peter 2:9). Thus, Christians no longer belong to the world. They now belong to God.
The Westminster Confession of 1646 summarises this important teaching of Scripture this way: ‘They, who are once effectually called, and regenerated, having a new heart, and a new spirit created in them, are further sanctified, really and personally, through the virtue of Christ’s death and resurrection.’
Sanctification takes place at the beginning of the Christian life, along with justification and regeneration. All believers are set apart – sanctified, made holy – by God. That is why the New Testament describes Christians as saints, which means ‘holy ones’ (Romans 8:27; Hebrews 6:10; Colossians 1:11-13; Ephesians 2:18-20).
In addition to positional sanctification, the Bible also presents sanctification as the transforming work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer whom God has set apart. This is the deep work of the Spirit of God in the Christian, renovating his mind, heart and soul, making him holy, and transfiguring him more and more into the image of Christ.
Sanctification, in this second sense, is a process. It will only be completed in the eschaton, when Christ returns to transform this sin-marred world into the new heaven and the new earth, and when believers are resurrected in God’s fully consummated kingdom.
All the injunctions in the Bible demonstrate that sanctification, understood in this way, is a process and that before the kingdom of God is fully consummated the Christian is not yet perfect. He is still a work in progress.
Writing to his fellow Jews who have put their faith in Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord, the writer of Hebrews exhorts them to ‘Make every effort … to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord’ (Hebrews 12:14).
In the same way, the apostle Paul, in his letter to the Christians in Rome, urges them to ‘offer their bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God’, which is their true worship (Romans 12:1).
The apostle exhorts the Christians in Colossae to ‘put to death … what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire and covetousness, which is idolatry’ (Colossians 3:5).
The New Testament is awash with passages such as these. Remember that these exhortations are addressed to Christians. Paul and the writer of Hebrews know that Christians must be encouraged to yield to the sanctifying work of the Spirit in their lives because sanctification is a process and Christians have not yet achieved perfection.
Even the apostle Paul himself is straining towards perfection. In his letter to the Philippians, Paul declares: ‘Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me’ (Philippians 3:12).
What about Colossians 2?
This brings me back to the passage in Colossians 2 which the new antinomians use to support their teaching that Christians are instantaneously made perfect at conversion. In particular, we have to inquire what did Paul mean when he said that Christians are ‘complete in Christ’ (Colossians 2:10)?
In order to answer this question, we must ask another: What was the context of this passage?
This approach to exegesis and hermeneutics is extremely important if we are to fully understand this passage of Scripture (or any passage, for that matter). Once a passage is taken out of its original context, it will not be properly understood. It can also be twisted to say something that it does not in fact say.
In Colossians 2:8, Paul warns the Christians in Colossae not to be mesmerised by the false teachers, who give the impression that besides putting his faith in Christ, the believer must also embrace strange philosophies and observe esoteric rituals in order to be saved.
The sophistry of these false teachers, Paul says, is nothing but ‘empty deceit’, inspired not just by human imaginings (‘human tradition’) but also by the forces of darkness (‘elemental spirits’). They are antithetical to the Gospel of Christ and the reality that that Gospel reveals.
Against the teachings of these false teachers, Paul says that Christ alone is sufficient for human salvation. This is because the Christ who saves those who put their faith in him is the incarnate God himself.
The apostle writes: ‘For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is head over every power and authority’ (Colossians 2:9).
Thus when Paul says that Christians are complete in Christ, he means that everything the Christian needs to be saved is found in Christ. Put differently, Paul is saying that if you have put your faith in Christ, you are saved. There is nothing else (nothing more) that you would need to secure your salvation.
The great Reformer, John Calvin, explains this passage as follows: ‘“Ye are full” does not mean that the perfection of Christ is transfused into us, but that there are in him resources from which we may be filled, that nothing be wanting in us.’
But it is perhaps the New Testament scholar, Curtis Vaugh, who has provided one of the clearest explications of the meaning of this expression in his commentary on Colossians:
Thus, in union with Christ our every spiritual need is fully met. Possessing him, we possess all. There is no need, therefore, for the Colossians to turn to the ‘philosophy’ of the errorists, the ritual of the Maniac law, or the spirit-beings worshipped by the pagan world. All they needed was in Jesus Christ.
Let’s return to a statement by Joseph Prince I quoted earlier: ‘The minute you believe you are made perfect in Christ you work from your perfection not to it.’
Think about this assertion for a moment. What is Prince actually saying here? What are the implications of his statement? Let me spell it out for you.
Prince is saying that if you are a Christian, you are already perfect. This means that all Christians would:
• love the Lord their God with all their heart, soul and mind (Matthew 22:37) perfectly;
• love their neighbour as themselves (Mark 12:31) perfectly;
• display the fruit of the Spirit – love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control – in their lives (Galatians 5:22-23) perfectly;
• honour and glorify God perfectly;
• obey God perfectly;
The list can be expanded.
On the flip side of the coin, because Christians are already perfect, they would never ever manifest these works of the flesh: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies … (Galatians 5:19-21).
But have you met such a Christian? Is there a New Testament church that is perfect in this way?
In his salutations to the church in Corinth, Paul describes the Corinthian Christians as ‘sanctified in Christ and called to be his holy people’ (1 Corinthians 1:2). Yet, on page after page after page of this letter we find Paul rebuking the Corinthians for ungodly behaviour.
Paul considers the Corinthians to be sanctified saints (1 Corinthians 1:2). But if they are sanctified, why is it that they are not also perfect?
The antinomians’ erroneous doctrine of sanctification is an example of what some theologians have described as an ‘over-realised eschatology’. They mistakenly think that the promised future is already here in all its fullness.
They fail to understand what it means for Christians to live between the two advents of Christ – between his first coming at the first Christmas, and his return at the close of the age.
D.A. Carson explains this well:
The New Testament shows how Christians are squeezed between the ‘already’ of what has arrived and the ‘not yet’ of what is still to come. Let me give you some examples: we already have the forgiveness of our sins, but we do not yet have the consummation which Christ’s death and resurrection have secured. We already grow in sanctification, but we have not yet been glorified. We are squeezed between the already and the not yet; already it is the last hour of this age which is decaying and will pass away. But it has not yet passed away, and the new heavens and the new earth have not yet dawned.
In his letter to the Christians at Philippi, the apostle Paul wrote these solemn words:
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12).
Paul knew that the Christians in Philippi are still a ‘work in progress’. By the power of God’s sanctifying Spirit they are working towards perfection not from perfection, as Joseph Prince suggests.
So Paul urges them to persevere. He urges them to follow his example, not to think that they have already arrived, but to ‘press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus’ has obtained for them on Calvary’s cross (Philippians 3:12).
Dr Roland Chia
Chew Hock Hin Professor of Christian Doctrine
Trinity Theological College
Theological and Research Advisor
Ethos Institute for Public Christianity
Testimonies of Pastor Jonathan Lim, Elder Philip Koh, Ang Fui Gan & Jenny Low
Testimony of Pastor Jonathan Lim
The one simple lesson that I have learnt from George is found in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
The most logical and natural explanation as George had said is to interpret V16 that Christ will descend all the way to earth (Post-trib).
If the Pre-tribbers teaching that Christ will make a ‘U-turn’ back to heaven is true, then it ought to be clearly and explicitly stated in the text.
But as George had said that since the text is silent, we have no authority to insert our ideas into the text and wildly presume that Christ will make a U-turn back to heaven.
Secondly, why would God write to us so much about suffering and persecution in the Bible?
Yet, it is so easy for us to conveniently embrace the idea of escaping persecution.
For those of us, who keep hanging on to the false hope that we will escape persecution, ever find ourselves caught in the great tribulation, our world will certainly crumble and we will be devastated.
What George had taught us on Post-tribulation does not spring from his own ideas.
As a Pastor who is theologically trained, I know for a fact that every principle of his teaching on the Post-tribulation doctrine is drawn from the word of God.
He had dug deep and thoroughly searched the Bible to discover the Biblical truth of the Post-tribulation.
May I encourage you that you can do the same too to search out the truth and the truth will set you free from false beliefs.
Pastor Jonathan Lim
Every Nation Church, Penang, Malaysia
Testimony of Elder Philip Koh
Dear Rev George, thank you for your insightful teaching on the Rapture and the Great Tribulation.
Your thorough analysis of the scriptures pertaining to the end times leaves no doubt that the Post-tribulation view is the correct interpretation of scriptures.
Your teaching has also conclusively refuted the Pre-tribulation doctrine.
Your teaching has helped me to see things much more clearly about the Rapture issue.
Thanks for your passionate encouragement to live for Jesus whatever the cost.
Thank you for being a voice calling out to the church to prepare for the future.
Elder Philip Koh
Testimony of Ang Fui Gan
Pastor George Ong has researched, thought through, written and taught a most definitive lesson on Post-tribulation that bears the gold standard – that will stand up to any test.
Using Matthew 24, 1 Thessalonians 4 & 5 and many other passages of scriptures, George definitively worked out the order of events, backed by many scriptural principles and Bible verses linking them.
I am convinced of the authenticity of his study and teaching.
Attending Mount Horeb Bible Presbyterian Church, Singapore
Testimony of Jenny Low
I attended two sessions of Pastor George Ong’s Seminar on ‘Great Tribulation and Rapture’ conducted on the 15th and 29th of August 2015 and I must say it was time well spent and fruitfully invested.
I recall on Day 1 of the Seminar when Pastor George mentioned that learning is the easy part but unlearning is the difficult part.
Yet, we must be prepared to have the humility to unlearn what was wrongfully learnt.
With an open mindset, I attended the seminar.
I did not go to the seminar with the mindset of Pre-tribulation or Post-tribulation.
After the seminar, I have come to the conclusion that the Post-tribulation Rapture is indisputably and explicitly supported by the scriptures.
This is in complete contrast to the Pre-tribulation doctrine which has no explicit verse or passage that supports it.
Since the Post-tribulation doctrine is irrefutably true, to be logical, whether one says it aloud or not, or whether one admits it or not, Pre-tribulation theology has to be false.
The simple reason is that they are direct opposites of each other.
Having attended the seminar, I see the necessity to go beyond the mere reading of the scriptures.
It is important to read it with an open mind and never assume I have already understood something just because someone has interpreted it in a certain way.
Since the Pre-tribulation theology is held by the majority of the churches, it does not mean that the majority is always right.
I agree with Pastor George when he said that the majority may not always be on the side of truth.
He quoted the example of Noah.
One man Noah (who saved his family) was right and the whole world was wrong and they were destroyed.
Hence, I now truly understand why Pastor George is so confident and convicted to proclaim the truth of the Post-tribulation and the falsity of the Pre-tribulation despite the overwhelming odds because his teaching is solidly based on the scriptures.
To Pastor George, I salute you for taking on this very difficult task even though your speaking engagements have dwindled because of the many churches that have been offended.
Despite your financial survival and livelihood which is at stake, you have unwaveringly pursued and persevered in your call.
But God will surely know how to provide for His obedient servants.
Attending an Assembly of God Church, Singapore
Joseph Prince Affirmed that it was God who answered the Prayer of His church member because she won the Toto (lottery) Top Prize of $2.8 million – By Rev George Ong
On 10 March 2021 (4 days ago), Melissa Thangavellu’s sober testimony was featured in this website. She shared that one of her family members who attended New Creation Church even bought Toto. If you missed the testimony, please click to read.
Melissa said of her family member, “She often bought 4D, Toto and big sweep and claimed God’s blessings on her. She asked Jesus for 4D numbers and referred to the numbers as Jesus’ numbers.”
This is not surprising, given what you are about to hear what Joseph Prince said about Toto in a 1-minute audio clip.
In a sermon excerpt, titled, “The Covenant That Demonstrates His Wealth & Health,” Joseph Prince said (click to hear)
Here is a verbatim of what Joseph Prince said:
“Now, recently, something else happens. Just two weeks ago, there was a lady in Singapore, who was working as a cashier at a coffeeshop, Kopitiam. And one lady walked in and offered her a Toto – just one piece. Now, she never plays Toto in her life. She bought that one piece. I was told later that she wanted Christians to know she don’t plays Toto. There was one time the lady came in and insists on her taking the one. She took that piece. She bought it – the one piece. And that was the top prize – $2.8 million. It was on the front page of The New Paper. $2.8 million, and the word got around in Singapore, saying a Kopitiam aunty has won the top prize. Now what people didn’t know was this; she was praying to God; she’s a new convert. And she was praying to God that she can go to church because somehow her finances didn’t allow and she had to work on Sundays at the Kopitiam, the coffeeshop. So, she asked God to help her. Boy, did God help her. I want to read to you a testimony. And yes, she is from this church.”
On one hand, Joseph Prince tried to explain for the lady when he mentioned that “she don’t plays Toto.” Yet, on the other hand, he said it was God who answered her prayer by providing for her finances because she won the prize of $2.8 million.
What Joseph Prince is clearly implying is that God can provide for you through gambling. And especially, if it is $2.8 million, it has to be God, and it has to be the right thing to do. I guess, for Joseph Prince, it is because it is $2.8 million that makes it right.
Could you accept such flippant and irresponsible attitude and approach of Joseph Prince (who is a pastor) towards gambling and wealth? It seems that Joseph Prince’s theology is that the ends justify the means – if it is $2.8 million, then it has got to be God.
(This is so characteristic of Joseph Prince as he constantly uses this argument – that just because his church has experienced phenomenal growth, or just because he can produce the plenty of testimonies, this means he is preaching the true grace doctrine.)
In order to promote his Prosperity Gospel doctrine that every believer is to be very rich like Abraham in the Old Testament was, Joseph Prince is even prepared to drag God into this gambling thing. He is making God say that it is okay to gamble as it is God who answered the lady’s prayer by taking care of her finances because He had helped her win the $2.8 million Toto prize.
And what I am interested to know from Joseph Prince is, did she continue to buy Toto after winning the $2.8 million? Well, the reasoning is, if God can answer her prayer by helping her win a monetary prize through Toto once, why can’t He do it the second and third time? If it is okay for God to do it once, shouldn’t it be okay for Him to do it the second and third time?
Instead of giving a clear signal to his church members that gambling is wrong because it promotes the sin of covetousness, unbelievably, Joseph Prince gave tacit approval to it.
How would his church members, especially the new converts and those who are weaker in faith, and worse, those who may have the temptation to gamble, go away with Joseph Prince’s frivolous approach to the issue of gambling?
They must be thinking, that perhaps, buying Toto is not all that wrong, especially if one can win the top Toto prize of 2.8 million, as, after all, their Pastor Joseph Prince Himself had dared to testify publicly, in a worship service about a believer winning Toto.
By now, can you make the connection why the family member of Melissa Thangavellu’s could buy Toto, even though she is attending New Creation Church?
The horrifying thing is, not only does Joseph Prince not give a clear signal that gambling is wrong as it is an insidious form of covetousness, he indirectly promotes it by saying that God can answer the prayer of a believer because He had helped her win a Toto prize.
“Prosperity cannot be proof of God’s favour for it is what the devil promises to those who worship him.” (John Piper)
Going by what John Piper said, it is not God, but very likely the devil, who has helped his lady member win the Toto prize.
By the same token, it is not God, who is responsible for the massive growth of Joseph Prince’s New Creation Church, and the unceasing number of testimonies that he is so anxiously belting out during almost every Sunday worship; it is the devil. (Though portions of these testimonies could be true, not because of the Pseudo-grace doctrine of Joseph Prince, but due to the true grace of God.)
When Joseph Prince is preaching stark heresies, to say that God is the one who is responsible for the growth of his church and the testimonies that he belts out every Sunday is to malign God.
Let me also remind you that not just true prophets, but f a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,”
What is sobering is that the more his church grows and the more testimonies he receives, the more self-deluded and arrogant he becomes. The more affirmation and praises unthinking and simplistic believers lavished on him about the growth of his church and the testimonies that seem to allude to his grace teaching, the more they are leading him onto the road of no-repentance, no-return and self-destruction.
Rev George Ong
Reverend George Ong
George Ong is an engaging speaker at organisations and churches, both in Singapore and overseas.
He has been an itinerant speaker for 20 years and has preached in more than 200 churches across different denominations.
He has the unique ability to reach out to all age groups: from children, youths and adults to the elderly.
Marked by clarity, passion and a touch of humour, his messages have touched and transformed many lives.
To date, he has written one of the thickest books ever produced in the world: ‘Joseph Prince: Shepherd or Wolf?’ comprising 10 volumes in 4,800 pages.
He has also produced 56 volumes of humour books, containing 27,000 jokes in 10,300 pages, which is possibly a world record.
On a lighter note, I have also produced 56 volumes of humour books, containing more than 27,000 jokes in about 10,300 pages.
No one in my knowledge has produced as many as the same number of humour books that I had. Producing 56 humour books is definitely a Singaporean record, probably an Asian record, and possibly, a world record. I am not a guy who is crazy about breaking records. If any records are broken, it is purely incidental. I am only interested in accomplishing what God has gifted and called me to do.
It is not a joke to produce 56 volumes of humour books. No amount of words can describe the massive task and the humongous effort that went into producing the books. Enormous discipline, untiring diligence, unwavering passion, unyielding focus, dogged perseverance, and most of all, the supernatural empowerment of God, all went into making the impossible, possible. Glory to God for His strength to accomplish one of life’s most unique challenges of producing 56 humour books, which is unequalled in most parts of the world.
Though these 56 Humour Books are unique and different from each other, the goal is the same – to provide a resource for teachers, lecturers, communicators and preachers. The humour in the books can be used to spice up a point, illustrate a lesson and make learning a fun and enjoyable experience. Most of all, the books are written for those who just want a good laugh.